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Old 15th Oct 2019, 13:41
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Just replace the weapons with training "Shapes" on the quiet.
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Old 26th Oct 2019, 08:04
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https://www.dailysabah.com/defense/2...ghter-jet-sale

Turkey, Russia close to reaching agreement on Su-35 fighter jet sale

Turkey is close to reaching a deal with Moscow over the purchase of Su-35 fighter jets as well as co-manufacturing some components of the Russian-made jets, Turkish sources said Friday.

Turkish and Russian officials are discussing the details of the sale of a total of 36 Su-35 fighter jets to Turkey, two months after President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to the International Aviation and Space Salon (MAKS) aviation show outside of Moscow. Sources added that officials are also discussing Turkey's possible involvement in the production of some components of the fighter jets, including its precision weapons and ammunition......
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...ibya-hpzcdgkk5

Greece fears Turkish encroachment over oil exploration deal with Libya

Greece has accused Turkey of breaching international law after Ankara signed a Mediterranean oil and gas exploration agreement with Libya.

The deal, which threatens to vastly extend Turkey’s claimed rights over the Mediterranean, follows an agreement last week for Ankara to supply weaponry to the internationally recognised Libyan government in Tripoli, which is involved in a military struggle with forces loyal to Khalifa Haftar for control of the country.

Greece fears that the exploration deal encompasses uninterrupted territory running from Turkey’s southern shore all the way to the coast of Libya, encroaching on areas close to the islands of Rhodes and Crete over which Athens claims exclusive economic rights.

“It is illegal and absurd because it ignores the presence of islands like Crete,” Nikos Dendias, the Greek foreign minister, said. “Greece cannot and will not relinquish its sovereignty. We will respond to any attempt [Turkey] makes to encroach these rights. Our military capabilities are robust,” he told Skai, a television network based in Athens.

Greece has accused Turkey of breaching international law after Ankara signed a Mediterranean oil and gas exploration agreement with Libya.

The deal, which threatens to vastly extend Turkey’s claimed rights over the Mediterranean, follows an agreement last week for Ankara to supply weaponry to the internationally recognised Libyan government in Tripoli, which is involved in a military struggle with forces loyal to Khalifa Haftar for control of the country.

Greece fears that the exploration deal encompasses uninterrupted territory running from Turkey’s southern shore all the way to the coast of Libya, encroaching on areas close to the islands of Rhodes and Crete over which Athens claims exclusive economic rights.

“It is illegal and absurd because it ignores the presence of islands like Crete,” Nikos Dendias, the Greek foreign minister, said. “Greece cannot and will not relinquish its sovereignty. We will respond to any attempt [Turkey] makes to encroach these rights. Our military capabilities are robust,” he told Skai, a television network based in Athens......





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Old 5th Dec 2019, 16:47
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https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/...-eucom-deputy/

Pull US Troops Out if Turkey: Former EUCOM Deputy

.....When asked about growing concerns about the safety of these nuclear weapons in light of deteriorating U.S.-Turkey ties, former Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James noted that – hypothetically – if such weapons did require relocation, removing them from Incirlik would be a “complicated operation [that] would require negotiations with the [new host] nation.” Nevertheless, the United States should prioritize moving these weapons to a more stable and secure European facility, such as Aviano Air Base, Italy. There is simply no longer a strategic necessity for maintaining a nuclear arsenal in Turkey as the United States has other nuclear forces available for deterring Russia.

Second, Washington should relocate the 39th Air Wing and its various support functions; Cyprus and Greece are excellent alternatives. For the former, its Akrotiri Air Base is already home to the United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and it has runways and facilities akin to Incirlik; moreover, it is still near the Middle Eastern theatre but has the added advantage of being located on European soil. Choosing Cyprus would send Turkey a clear message that the United States is a no longer prepared to tolerate Turkey’s illegal oil exploration and naval harassment within the Cypriot exclusive economic zone.......
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 19:09
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/...-eucom-deputy/

Pull US Troops Out if Turkey: Former EUCOM Deputy

.....When asked about growing concerns about the safety of these nuclear weapons in light of deteriorating U.S.-Turkey ties, former Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James noted that – hypothetically – if such weapons did require relocation, removing them from Incirlik would be a “complicated operation [that] would require negotiations with the [new host] nation.” Nevertheless, the United States should prioritize moving these weapons to a more stable and secure European facility, such as Aviano Air Base, Italy. There is simply no longer a strategic necessity for maintaining a nuclear arsenal in Turkey as the United States has other nuclear forces available for deterring Russia.

Second, Washington should relocate the 39th Air Wing and its various support functions; Cyprus and Greece are excellent alternatives. For the former, its Akrotiri Air Base is already home to the United Kingdom’s Royal Air Force and it has runways and facilities akin to Incirlik; moreover, it is still near the Middle Eastern theatre but has the added advantage of being located on European soil. Choosing Cyprus would send Turkey a clear message that the United States is a no longer prepared to tolerate Turkey’s illegal oil exploration and naval harassment within the Cypriot exclusive economic zone.......
Of course, it's not just a simple matter of moving the devices from one location to another. In Greece I'd anticipate huge civil unrest if the US proposed to move then there - with a pro-Soviet Russian government to boot. Secondly, going to the SBA in Cyprus would require NSC and then Parliamentary approval, quite apart from the infrastructure efforts that would be needed to house the weapons in a SSA and accommodate the aircraft that could carry them.

Moreover it would cause both sides on the island of Cyprus to become (more) enraged and jointly target the British presence. This is in addition to pissing off the Turks, with whom we still have a good working relationship at diplomatic and military levels. Added to that, there would be huge agitation from the very pro Russian government in the Republic of Cyprus.

Furthermore there is no question of Russian troops or aircraft based in Turkey; during the coup attempt in July 2016 it was the Turkish Base Cdr (BGen Van) who rebelled against the government and was dragged from the US Base Cdr's office by MİT officers. The US Colonel had served on 1 Sqn on exchange about 15 years ago - 'Red' for those who might remember him. The US and Turkish perimeter around the SSA remained secure.

Of course the US and Turkey have clashed over nukes before. One of the secret protocols agreed after the Cuban missile crises was to withdraw the jointly US/Turkish manned Jupiter Missile batteries. The US withdrew the nuclear tipped missiles without telling the HN, who were justifiably cross, and it soured relations for a good decade.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 21:29
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Of course, it's not just a simple matter of moving the devices from one location to another. In Greece I'd anticipate huge civil unrest if the US proposed to move then there - with a pro-Soviet Russian government to boot. Secondly, going to the SBA in Cyprus would require NSC and then Parliamentary approval, quite apart from the infrastructure efforts that would be needed to house the weapons in a SSA and accommodate the aircraft that could carry them.
There is no suggestion in the article of moving the nuclear weapons to Cyprus, only the 39th AW.
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Old 5th Dec 2019, 22:42
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
There is no suggestion in the article of moving the nuclear weapons to Cyprus, only the 39th AW.
You may want to consider what their mission is.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 01:05
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There is no suggestion in the article of moving the nuclear weapons to Cyprus, only the 39th AW.
I agree - there is no suggestion the B-61s would go to Cyprus.

The 39th Air Wing comprises a lot more than the 39th Weapons System Security Group which is the only element that would go with the weapons and be reassigned to another USAF wing or HN base.

The balance of 39th Air Wing is either to do with providing mission support to transit / deployed aircraft (39th Mission Support Group) or the hospital (39th Medical Group).

Furthermore, the former RAF SSA at Akrotiri is derelict and a non-starter - and off-base with self-evident unacceptable outload security implications compared to modus operandi with WS3.

I would imagine that the B-61s would only remain in the European theatre if a HN that had a base with spare WS3 in HASs would be willing to accept them.

Unlike the B-61s in the other NATO countries, those remaining at Incirlik now are for US aircraft.

The ideal reallocation would be to a US air base - kind of narrows the choice - Ramstein (for aircraft deployed into spare HAS in crisis) or Lakenheath (for F-15E now - F-35A later) - there are plenty of spare WS3 slots around (100 at Lakenheath alone) that could be up and running pretty quickly.

Both those options would probably have civilian NIMBYs up in arms (pun intended) - so the B-61s might have to go back to the USA.

https://fas.org/blogs/security/2019/...out-of-turkey/

https://www.incirlik.af.mil/Units/39th-Air-Base-Wing/

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Old 6th Dec 2019, 20:43
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The ideal reallocation would be to a US air base - kind of narrows the choice - Ramstein (for aircraft deployed into spare HAS in crisis) or Lakenheath (for F-15E now - F-35A later) - there are plenty of spare WS3 slots around (100 at Lakenheath alone) that could be up and running pretty quickly.

Wasn't it stated on another thread that F35 is not nuclear capable, hence the Germans had to reject it as a Tornado replacement?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 22:33
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