What rank is "Master Pilot"
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Outhouse, indeed. My father in law was a naval rating and survived a second sinking in the channel when his destroyer was sunk. Several US Army personnel serving one of the guns lost their lives.
US Army - gunners - RN Warship . . .
US Army - gunners - RN Warship . . .
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Originally Posted by outhouse
One, I do not have to verify any comments I have made.
Two, I am rather pist that you would suspect that my father would not have not done what was a mater of military record. having both British and US decorations.
Three, During WW2 a lot of **** happens that was maybe in the present times, rather strange to you. Most of these chaps are now dead maybe its best they are.
Having spent two years myself in the US military and a secondment in Vietnam in sixty, six flying a Huey may be you would like to question my providence.
Over to you what have you done??
Two, I am rather pist that you would suspect that my father would not have not done what was a mater of military record. having both British and US decorations.
Three, During WW2 a lot of **** happens that was maybe in the present times, rather strange to you. Most of these chaps are now dead maybe its best they are.
Having spent two years myself in the US military and a secondment in Vietnam in sixty, six flying a Huey may be you would like to question my providence.
Over to you what have you done??
Anyway ... Clearly there is an interesting family history there ... I just found the RAF Bomber Pilot to US Fighter Pilot transition a little 'unusual', to say the least. There is clearly a VERY interesting story to be told, if you have the time and are willing to tell us. I suspect that 'not-British' will feature
Apologies if I have offended you. It was such an unusual story.
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Just to explain,
It may seem strange but at the time during WW2 the high mortality rate of bomber pilots and crew was beyond the ability of the training command to maintain supply of suitable replacement of aircrew. The option was to transfer from other commands including the Fleet Airmen into bomber commend. Thus fighter pilots and other command pilots ended up in Bomber command. Later.
At the time when other needs require these pilots were transferred back into the original areas of expertise. with the experience of combat and the need then of helping our US Conrad's a number of RAF pilots were posted to various US units to help and give guidance to what was effectively a inexperienced unit.
That,s it, I think I can say now that those involved are now passed away, they gave all to protect what they felt was the correct thing to do. As most of us have done in present times, least I know I have tried to do.
Safe flight and following winds.
It may seem strange but at the time during WW2 the high mortality rate of bomber pilots and crew was beyond the ability of the training command to maintain supply of suitable replacement of aircrew. The option was to transfer from other commands including the Fleet Airmen into bomber commend. Thus fighter pilots and other command pilots ended up in Bomber command. Later.
At the time when other needs require these pilots were transferred back into the original areas of expertise. with the experience of combat and the need then of helping our US Conrad's a number of RAF pilots were posted to various US units to help and give guidance to what was effectively a inexperienced unit.
That,s it, I think I can say now that those involved are now passed away, they gave all to protect what they felt was the correct thing to do. As most of us have done in present times, least I know I have tried to do.
Safe flight and following winds.
"There was a Master Pilot teaching ground school at Linton On Ouse in 1982, but I can not remember his name."
He was still there in 1984 dispensing pearls of wisdom in the JPIT (procedures trainer)
He was still there in 1984 dispensing pearls of wisdom in the JPIT (procedures trainer)
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MPN and Outhouse...
W/C Tom Neil, BofB and Malta pilot, served with the US 9th Air Force during 1944. Look for his book "The Silver Spitfire".
W/C Tom Neil, BofB and Malta pilot, served with the US 9th Air Force during 1944. Look for his book "The Silver Spitfire".
If my memory serves, in the late 60s there was a cpl medic at Wildenrath with a pilot brevet and a good few medal ribbons. Perhaps he had re-joined or re-mustered from aircrew. I'm sure there is someone out there who knew him.
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At RAF Cosford 1959-61 there was a Canadian whose name I forget but he was an RAF Sgt Pilot from WW2, he taught us 16 yr old Boy Entrants how to touch type.
At RAF Sharjah 1963-64 I got a gash flight in a Twin Pioneer which was resupplying the Trucial Oman Scouts up country; it was flown by an RAF Master Pilot.
At RAF Akrotiri 1965-67 my boss in the commcen was Sgt Norman Kerr, ex-Boy Entrant who wore the Air Signaller brevet
At RAF Sharjah 1963-64 I got a gash flight in a Twin Pioneer which was resupplying the Trucial Oman Scouts up country; it was flown by an RAF Master Pilot.
At RAF Akrotiri 1965-67 my boss in the commcen was Sgt Norman Kerr, ex-Boy Entrant who wore the Air Signaller brevet
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Slow Biker,
The Cpl may have been a Dental Branch Cpl called Pop Newton, who trained near the end of WWII but was too late to be 'needed'. He left the service about early 70s.
The Cpl may have been a Dental Branch Cpl called Pop Newton, who trained near the end of WWII but was too late to be 'needed'. He left the service about early 70s.
In 1967 there was a Cpl. storeman in ESG at Akkers. He sported a pilots brevet and a chest full of bling. He was also rumoured to be on first name terms with the Staish.
His sons still run the business.
When I joined the RAF in 1958 we had lots of chaps with medals and brevets of lowly rank in various trades, including one in the cookhouse.
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At Manby in 65 we had an SAC in the Guardroom (Trade Assistant General, IIRC) with plenty of medals and pilot's wings. The story was that after he was de-mobbed he found life outside the RAF unhappy, so just settled for a lowly role in familiar surroundings. PTSD? Who knows?
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Taff Walker was certainly the last M Plt in a flying post, and Alec Riddoch may well have been the penultimate. When Taff retired, he was front cover picture on Air Clues - are these available on-line anywhere?
Taff's legendary hearing (or lack of!) had its advantages in Ground Cats. I remember a conversation similar to this ..........
Taff: OK boy, what's the single engine max continuous limits on the Wessex?
TH: Mumble, mumble, mumble .....
Taff: Wassat boy? Did you say 2700, 710 and 26750?
TH: Yes Taff!
Taff: Well done boyo - exactly right!!
When I was first on 72 (early 70s), we also had a Flight Sergeant nav - whose name escapes me for now.
Will check logbooks tonight and see if I can identify him, and when I last flew with him and Taff.
Taff's legendary hearing (or lack of!) had its advantages in Ground Cats. I remember a conversation similar to this ..........
Taff: OK boy, what's the single engine max continuous limits on the Wessex?
TH: Mumble, mumble, mumble .....
Taff: Wassat boy? Did you say 2700, 710 and 26750?
TH: Yes Taff!
Taff: Well done boyo - exactly right!!
When I was first on 72 (early 70s), we also had a Flight Sergeant nav - whose name escapes me for now.
Will check logbooks tonight and see if I can identify him, and when I last flew with him and Taff.
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Would any of you fine people know of a Master Navigator A Leddy? He would have served at RAF Akrotiri at some stage, possibly having remustered as ATC. If so, please PM me. Thanks.
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oscara,
it was indeed. Last saw him during the build up to GW1. We landed in Gib to pick up some KD for the gulf and he came out to us on his bike to say hello. Alas due to coriolis or similar effect he fell off halfway there and we had to render 'all assistance short of actual help' due to an outbreak of mass hysteria at the sight.
it was indeed. Last saw him during the build up to GW1. We landed in Gib to pick up some KD for the gulf and he came out to us on his bike to say hello. Alas due to coriolis or similar effect he fell off halfway there and we had to render 'all assistance short of actual help' due to an outbreak of mass hysteria at the sight.