Carlisle floods
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I too was at OASC in December 1984.....it may well have been this week but I'd have to check on that! Mine involved a football team and a defective coach! I was beaten by the coach and ended up swimming in flood water (among other things) for a living! Hope you faired better?
MD
I too was at OASC in December 1984.....it may well have been this week but I'd have to check on that! Mine involved a football team and a defective coach! I was beaten by the coach and ended up swimming in flood water (among other things) for a living! Hope you faired better?
MD
One of the paper and presentation exercises I did at OASC 31 years ago (to the week, even!) involved flood control. If I remember correctly, it involved a lot of calculating the volume and quantity of sandbags, and abusing the hospitality of the local WI.
Not a lot changes, does it?
All the best and much respect to those aiding the civil power at the moment.
Not a lot changes, does it?
All the best and much respect to those aiding the civil power at the moment.
From nutloose's link
Funnily enough, I would have said this money would definitely be classified as "bail out" money. Not to mention "mopping out" and "drying up" money!
Bail-outs are not just without a treaty base but are expressly prohibited by article 125. Best not to read the treaty then, perhaps.
So, hit by widespread flooding and a clean-up costing the earth, Britain is entitled to EU financial assistance under article 122. Unlike bail-out money it would be unconditional, involving no union control.
So, hit by widespread flooding and a clean-up costing the earth, Britain is entitled to EU financial assistance under article 122. Unlike bail-out money it would be unconditional, involving no union control.
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A week later its not even in the London-centric news. And the troops are like "COBRA" - a simple way, a sound-bite even to make as though the Govt. are really on the case.
The military had a short term visual, very little practical help affect but at some risk to themselves - I to noticed they were trudging around in filthy water with totally inappropriate or non existent PPE or training. Risk of illness and disease must be significantly higher for them especially if they are in area for long period. The PBI's lot in life.
And now its all forgotten, really.
But then again I don't rate this Government one single IOTA anyway. Not to tackle serious issues. From handling floods or planning for flooding, to Heathrow airport expansion, to limiting immigration, to involvement in foreign wars they just keep on ******* it up.
The military had a short term visual, very little practical help affect but at some risk to themselves - I to noticed they were trudging around in filthy water with totally inappropriate or non existent PPE or training. Risk of illness and disease must be significantly higher for them especially if they are in area for long period. The PBI's lot in life.
And now its all forgotten, really.
But then again I don't rate this Government one single IOTA anyway. Not to tackle serious issues. From handling floods or planning for flooding, to Heathrow airport expansion, to limiting immigration, to involvement in foreign wars they just keep on ******* it up.
But then again I don't rate this Government one single IOTA anyway. Not to tackle serious issues. From handling floods or planning for flooding, to Heathrow airport expansion, to limiting immigration, to involvement in foreign wars they just keep on ******* it up.
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I to noticed they were trudging around in filthy water with totally inappropriate or non existent PPE or training.
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I did Op GIRAFFE in 2010 with a Lynx for the floods then. Weekend work, no stress. No civil equivalent, no police callsign.
The police were awesome, very accommodating and receptive.
Whats the big fuss....help people.
The police were awesome, very accommodating and receptive.
Whats the big fuss....help people.
Whats the big fuss....help people.
a fantastic and public spirited effort by all involved!!
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I think it's more valid and honourable than fighting illegal wars for corporations/US presidents etc God forbid any soldiers were to die cleaning the streets of Carlisle, but at least it would have been for something worthy, unlike Afghanistan or Iraq which was a total waste of military life, civilian life, military family suffering, time & money.
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God forbid any soldiers were to die cleaning the streets of Carlisle
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I think it's time we got our own house in order and halted overseas flood defence funding until ours is sorted!
Cash Spent On Tackling Climate Change Abroad Is Double Amount Spent On UK Flood Defences | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)
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Anyone posting on this thread actually live in (or near) Carlisle? My daughter does and is hugely grateful for any, and all, help that that has come to their aid. News crews have been a pain, often getting in the way and holding up even basic clean ups. As a service brat married to a serving RAF man she is proud of the all the service contributions to their plight. Now if they could just get the Sainsbury's Christmas deliveries sorted (so I can have my crimbo dinner) things will start to look up.
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I originate from Carlisle, I go home when I can, my sister and her husband, my brother and his kids and my other Sister and her family all live in Carlisle, Cockermouth and Whitehaven, plus a myriad of other family members, does that count?
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As I understand it, following the last lot of firemen's strikes, the laws regarding the use of Service personnel for MACA tasks was changed so that local authorites now have to pay MOD for the support provided. This was to ensure that local authorities had plans in place for disaster relief that were a little more in-depth than 'get some soldiers to do it' which had previously been the case in some areas. MACA is now a wpn of last resort due to the cost.
Yes, I'd heard that too. But I'm always a sceptical about this business of paying for military involvement. The guys doing the work are already employed and paid for, so barring some overheads it's hard to see the justification for the costs. If the MoD deliberately employed extra people for MACP, then there would be a case, but it's just a case of diverting them from primary tasks to carry out a different, stated, military role. Yes, other things don't get done straight away, but we're not talking thousands of man-hours here.
I wonder what rate the MoD charge. I'm guessing it's not just transportation, food and accommodation.
I wonder what rate the MoD charge. I'm guessing it's not just transportation, food and accommodation.
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C'mon JSF with posts like this:
and similar drivel on other threads, if you are not Typhoon93, then you must be very closely related.
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OP, every member of the Armed Forces that I have been privileged to meet, signed the dotted line because they love this country and they wanted to serve her and her people. This is their job, they do it tirelessly and to perfection with what they have, whether it's on Operations overseas or rescuing UK civilians in a time of crisis. I for one am immensely proud of all of them - lets all get behind them!
Where do I claim my £5?
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