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Old 26th Nov 2015, 17:51
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It certainly is a power play. Depending on the model of missiles deployed they can reach the air above much of Syria, Turkey, Cyprus and Israel.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 17:56
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"I guess the S-400 will enforce a buffer zone on the border"

So, only Russian aircraft may fly in this buffer zone? Can they discriminate between Turkish, French and US aircraft? Who would be listening to the Russians anyway, since they apparently don't use Guard frequency?

Light up a Growler and they might get interesting results.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 18:05
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"It certainly is a power play. Depending on the model of missiles deployed they can reach the air above much of Syria, Turkey, Cyprus and Israel"

The IAF might find this an unacceptable risk. I would and if I remember correctly they destroyed SAMs shipped to Syria by Iran. Different situation, but Russia loves Israel about as much as Iran and Syria do. Knotty situation.

Sure would make a good Clancy novel.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 18:06
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All in all, a disgusting situation. I suspect the Russians will now rule the airspace and, claim that ALL airspace movements must be notified to and controlled by them. What a mess!

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And not forgetting the Moskva arriving in the area, it sure is a formidable looking ship.


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Old 26th Nov 2015, 18:27
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Different situation, but Russia loves Israel about as much as Iran and Syria do. Knotty situation.
Netanyahu is a lot smarter person than turkish president, he won't repeat his mistake. And he was in Moscow just before russian strikes in Syria started, I'm quite sure he has some deal with Putin.

But I bet he is still mad on erdogan for causing Russia to bring S400 to the region.
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 23:49
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SA-21 (S-400) & SA-22 at Latakia Air Base

SA-22 Greyhound also there - see 1:23 onwards in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx9GV_KTVxM
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 02:06
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That is a nasty looking piece of kit.
And that Pantsir close in defence thing looks mighty effective as well.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 06:41
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Mystery Over Who Bombed Turkish convoy allegedly carrying weapons to militants

https://www.rt.com/news/323538-turke...-syria-attack/
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 07:54
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Massive difference between SA-22 and S400. Coalition ops in Syria now seriously under threat with the introduction of S400.

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Old 27th Nov 2015, 08:19
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Coalition ops in Syria now seriously under threat with the introduction of S400
I'll just repeat the point that the Russian airbase is within artillery range of Turkey. If I engaged a coalition or Turkish aircraft, I'd hope I had a nice deep hole within close range - and hope the Turks didn't send their special forces. Latakia isn't safe well inside Rodina, but close to the Turkish border and the sea. Nasty fellas the Turks.......
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 08:22
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YG, if someone kicks your ar^se only sensible to protect it. They can now enforce a buffer zone to prevent blue on red and ensure proper blue/red coordination on their terms. Their toys, their rules.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 08:34
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Their toys, their rules.
Not really. Yes they have some formidable SAMs in theatre now, but they are by no means the big boys in the playground now. The US could still wipe out their little force in a morning, they just now have a little chance to sting in the process.

And to be honest, the Turks have the capability too.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 08:47
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Moskva is almost antique at 30+ years old. I remember photographing it in 1984!

I'll bet Yamato looked pretty impressive on it's way to Okinawa in '45 too - it still got sunk as it was way out of it's depth (metaphorically speaking).
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 09:15
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Why?

Why would the Russians threaten coalition ops in any way shape or form?

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Old 27th Nov 2015, 09:38
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Let's turn that question on its head. Given the recent Russian aggression, annexations, treaty violations and military build-up, why do you think they present no threat?
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 09:46
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RAF to look for any unbombed bits of Syria.

DAVID Cameron has called on Britain to flatten the last remaining bumpy bits of Syria.

Making his case for British airstrikes against ISIS, the prime minister told the House of Commons there was an outside lavatory 15 miles from Aleppo that still has its roof attached.

He added: “It stands there, being a toilet, brazenly defying our values. If not now, when?”

The prime minster then listed seven other small buildings across Syria that remain structurally sound, including a newsagent, a car wash and a fruit kiosk that could be sheltering up 20,000 ISIS maniacs.

He added: “We have learned the lessons of Iraq. Too many buildings were left standing in Iraq. And it was in those buildings that ISIS was formed.

“We will only bring peace to the Middle East when all the buildings have been destroyed and everyone has to stand around in the street.”

Meanwhile, Cameron has not ruled out sending troops to Syria to jump up and down on any small bits of the country still sticking out of the ground in a campaign codenamed ‘Operation Snooker Table.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 09:54
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Well ... So President Putin has deployed some mean looking hardware ... He's got a swanky new War Room in Moscow ...

Perhaps all he needs now is a White Persian Cat to stroke on his lap



Image Credit : Russian Government (I guess)
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 10:15
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Originally Posted by CoffmanStarter
Well ... So President Putin has deployed some mean looking hardware ... He's got a swanky new War Room in Moscow ...

Perhaps all he needs now is a White Persian Cat to stroke on his lap



Image Credit : Russian Government (I guess)
and not a coffee cup or any yums yums anywhere in sight; strange place.

I do like how they are all sat in their little "arms" blocks though.
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 11:32
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Just This Once,

Because we are bombing IS, they too are bombing IS, amongst others, so why does the deployment of a defensive SAM system present a threat to us?
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