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Russia sends four SU27s to Syria

Old 13th Nov 2015, 10:44
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S-400 deployed in Syria.




The Israelis will be fuming.
Who controls the airspace in the Levant now?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-Tel-Aviv.html
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And so what? (about C-400 or C-300 that are difficult to distinguish in such photos)

A conventional air defence system, and it's a normal practice in Russia to deploy such toys near significant air bases (or a cluster of them).

The question is what they are for in Syria? The explanations such as "to remove airplanes that jihhadists may take (from whom?) and send as kamikadzes to the air base" make me laugh. IMHO, just an unnecessary move to show more teeth to US & Co. Looks not so much productive in the situation when both sides (read, even short-sighted politicians) started talking on many issues (coordination on ISIS targets, measures to avoid accidents in the air, sorting out "acceptable" and "bad" Syrian opposition) including cooperation on investigating the A-321 crash in Sinai.
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The question is what they are for in Syria? The explanations such as "to remove airplanes that jihhadists may take (from whom?) and send as kamikadzes to the air base" make me laugh. IMHO, just an unnecessary move to show more teeth to US & Co.
Just a statement of intent.

Nobody would expect US / UK to deploy without everything in their airfield defence network.
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racedo,

You wrote: "Nobody would expect US / UK to deploy without everything in their airfield defence network".

Some six Patriots batteries were deployed along the Turkish border with Syria a few years ago, when all this chaos in Syria started.
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Given the size of Russian footprint on the ground, people and planes, it makes a lot of sense to deploy IAD to cover it. (Heck, I think it's straight out of Soviet/Russian Joint Ops doctrine, but it's been a few years since I was familiar with that so I may be out of date).
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Yes, the purpose of S-300/400 is quite obvious/trivial, as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile) :

"The S-300 system ....., designed for the air defence of large industrial and administrative facilities, military bases, and control of airspace against enemy strike aircraft".

However, it was announced today in Russia that Dailymail is wrong, as usual: there are no S-400 batteries in Syria as of now, and the foreign guests who were invited to the Russian airbase in Syria and made these pictures just did not recognise correctly what they shot on cameras:

Russia Denies Rumors of S-400 Air Defense Systems' Deployment in Syria

Anyway, the truth will come out soon as S-400 are not pocket guns and can't be hidden for a long time if they are there.

IMHO, it would more than enough to have modern Buks and Pantzyrs as air defense means in Syria if you are not supposed to work on "stealth" machines, which are only in the US possession (F-22, -35 and B-2).
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Russia Denies Rumors of S-400 Air Defense Systems' Deployment in Syria

Anyway, the truth will come out soon as S-400 are not pocket guns and can't be hidden for a long time if they are there.
OK, did the guests take a pic of radar equipment and assume SAMS? You'd have to have radar to run your air operation ... by the way, I love the way S-400 stand at attention when a babe walks by, I'd do the same.
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Lonewolf,

These two (especially the one on the right) are also OK (pictured at the same Air Show):

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/8890/18fg1.jpg

Hope the moderator would not judge it as an off-topic since it's a Russian fighter aircraft in the center
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Lonewolf wrote

OK, did the guests take a pic of radar equipment and assume SAMS? You'd have to have radar to run your air operation
This appears to be exactly what happened. It is a 96L6 radar. It can be deployed completely outside of an S-300 or S-400 missile battery. This is why the Russian Ministry of Defence are having a good laugh at whoever ran with the story. The 96L6 just like its predecessor radars can be deployed entirely as a surveillance radar.

It is the second image on the following Russian Ministry of Defence website.

Gallery : Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation
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If the 'Growler' (love the name) system was in use, I suppose a way to defeat it would be to saturate it with more cruise missiles and decoys than they have launchers??

Obviously such action would soon escalate in to something much much worse.
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Thanks for posting those pics. The tyre in picture 23 looks a little past its best.
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The tyre in picture 23 looks a little past its best.
It'll do a trip
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"If the 'Growler' (love the name) system was in use, I suppose a way to defeat it would be to saturate it with more cruise missiles and decoys than they have launchers??"

they won't deploy a single S400 without some additional defenses... and they could easily recognized flight path of cruise missiles and take those with a lot cheaper AA than S400

actually I doubt they would bother with that, Putin wouldn't be reluctant to use nukes in that case, tactical at least
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The Russian military has fired multiple cruise missiles from its ships in the Mediterranean aimed at the Isis stronghold of Raqqa, according to reports.

US officials were quoted by the Reuters news agency as saying Russia had launched a "significant number" of strikes in Syria using both sea-launched cruise missiles and long-range bombers.
Russia 'launches cruise missiles' at Isis stronghold of Raqqa in Syria | Middle East | News | The Independent

Possibly air-launched Kh-55 family (AS-15 Kent). Russia produced conventionally armed variants. Possibly launched from Tu-160/Tu-95?





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Some images of Russian cruise missile debris in Syria. Claimed to be from the overnight attacks.





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5 Tu-95MS and 6 Tu-160 in the morning. 34 cruise missiles launched.

12 Tu-22M3 from the Mozdoc AF base made two strikes. Now these TU-22M3 are returning back after the second strike.

There was a live footage on a Russian TV 10 min ago with various commanders reporting to Putin (videoconf mode).

Putin also ordered to the Navy group commander in the Med. sea that the French navy (incl. an air carrier) would arrive soon and they should be treated as friends with establishing tight working links.

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Thanks A Van,

Looks like the cruise missiles launched from the bombers were Kh-555s?

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia's defense minister says Russian warplanes have fired cruise missiles on militant positions in Syria's Idlib and Aleppo provinces.

Sergei Shoigu also told a briefing conducted for President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday that bombers hit Islamic State positions in Raqqa and Der-ez-Zor.

Shoigu said the cruise missiles that hit the Aleppo and Idlib positions were fired from Tu-160 and Tu-95 warplanes.
Putin: Russian ship to cooperate with France in Syria


"Tu-160, Tu-95MC and Tu-22 strategic bombers with standard strike aircraft are involved in destroying of terrorist targets in Syria," Shoigu said.
Russian Warplanes Destroy 140 Terrorist Targets in Syria

Was this some of the footage shown on Russian TV? The first part looks like genuine footage from the missions with the upload of bombs and missiles. The missile launch footage is stock footage from old videos.

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video of Tu-22
I recall that was the Backfire in NATO parlance. Got a nice overflight from one in the Black Sea back in 1985. The usual game of cold war tag was going on. Looks like they've kept those old birds flying well enough.
The members of the US-led coalition were informed about the operation in advance, he added
Good news.
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Syrians in Raqqa tell of 'insane nights' of air strikes - Al Jazeera English

A day old now but some interesting feedback from Raqqa ground zero bombing if you have not already seen this.
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TEEEJ,

Yeah, the missiles shown on TV were Kh-55 or its derivatives (like -555).

Lots of footage on Russian TV today on this subject, but it's difficult to sort out when different fragments were shot.

BTW, Tu-22 and Tu-22M are completely different planes (only the latters are in the Russian AF now). The story behind that is that when Tupolev once (in late 60's) approached old lads running Kremlin to get money for a new aircraft, he surprisingly heard "no". Then he played a trick asking funds for "some modifications" of Tu-22 and build a completely new plane. But no new number could be given except for a letter "M" (stands for Modified). Accordingly, modification of Tu-22M had additional numbers - M2, M3.
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