Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
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Genelkurmay: Türk hava sahas?na giren bir hava arac? dü?ürüldü | NTV
Social media reckon it is the Iranian copy of the Scan Eagle:
And now they are speculating that it is a Russian Orlan:
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Hooray for our Turkish friends. 
This gets more interesting by the day.
Did the Cubans bring enough cigars with them? That's the first question.
This gets more interesting by the day.
Did the Cubans bring enough cigars with them? That's the first question.
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IMHO, "much ado about nothing" as far as shooting down this primitive UAV is concerned (no matter who owned it). A negligible episode of a war - nobody killed, nothing destroyed on the ground, etc.
Politician maybe will throw a couple of notes to each other but this is what they are working for.
Still no confirmation in the Russian media about the cubanos. One more fantasy from Fox, or they are just hiding smoking cigars?
Politician maybe will throw a couple of notes to each other but this is what they are working for.
Still no confirmation in the Russian media about the cubanos. One more fantasy from Fox, or they are just hiding smoking cigars?
Russian Orlan or Orlan variant. The square wing tips suggest an Orlan variant.
The Ukrainians recovered a few from their territory. Either malfunctioned or shot down.
Orlan recovered in Ukraine.
The type has been seen before in Syria and have crashed in rebel held territory during July 2015. Could well be the Syrians operating this Russian UAV and hence the claim from the Russians of no UAVs lost?
The Ukrainians recovered a few from their territory. Either malfunctioned or shot down.
Orlan recovered in Ukraine.
The type has been seen before in Syria and have crashed in rebel held territory during July 2015. Could well be the Syrians operating this Russian UAV and hence the claim from the Russians of no UAVs lost?
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Orlan-10 is shown in the 4th picture in the Eclectic's post (a guy in a camuflage uniform stands near with a hand-held radio).
The rest of the pictures show different UAVs, they obviously do not match Orlan-10.
Again, can't understand what's the buzz about a 30-pound UAV. There are hundreds of them in the Syrian air, from all sides involved or just watching.
The rest of the pictures show different UAVs, they obviously do not match Orlan-10.
Again, can't understand what's the buzz about a 30-pound UAV. There are hundreds of them in the Syrian air, from all sides involved or just watching.
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Russian Helicopter Close Air Support in Syria...
A few things.
I talk **** about the wing but damn it, those Russians are flying close air just like Marine Corps Cobra pilots. They aren't scared to get in the **** and neither are those Russians. Interesting. I hope our guys are practicing helicopter vs helicopter tactics. That should be one helluva fight (hopefully it doesn't happen...but if it does...).
Next.
Did you catch glimpses of the Syrian Army? Those guys are sporting brand new gear. Not one spot of dust on it. It looks like it was issued just before they went into combat....not even training scuffs on it. The infusion of aid to the Syrian Army by the Russians must be MUCH MORE robust than we're being led to believe.
Last.
Did you notice the Syrian tanks bounding to contact? They're using much better tactics from just a few frames of video than I saw earlier in the war. Danger focuses the mind and these guys are motivated.
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Russian Helicopter Close Air Support in Syria...
A few things.
I talk **** about the wing but damn it, those Russians are flying close air just like Marine Corps Cobra pilots. They aren't scared to get in the **** and neither are those Russians. Interesting. I hope our guys are practicing helicopter vs helicopter tactics. That should be one helluva fight (hopefully it doesn't happen...but if it does...).
Next.
Did you catch glimpses of the Syrian Army? Those guys are sporting brand new gear. Not one spot of dust on it. It looks like it was issued just before they went into combat....not even training scuffs on it. The infusion of aid to the Syrian Army by the Russians must be MUCH MORE robust than we're being led to believe.
Last.
Did you notice the Syrian tanks bounding to contact? They're using much better tactics from just a few frames of video than I saw earlier in the war. Danger focuses the mind and these guys are motivated.
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Regarding the URLs you mentioned: shallow propaganda and demonization of Russia. Nothing new. Why not address more positive things, e.g. that US and Russia are close to agreement on flights over Syria (to avoid conflicts)?
Why many think that the only purpose of these op's in Syria is to challenge US? Russia has more solid reasons. The main one is that there are 5-7 thousand of armed thugs in various Syrian terrorist groups that came from Russia (its muslim regions) and neighboring countries (former USSR republics) with transparent borders with Russia.
It is obviously pragmatic (maybe even cynic, but we are talking military stuff here...) to dig them there, in the sand of the Syrian desert, along with their names, than to have them back here blowing up our cities, planes, trains, etc.
Regarding the URLs you mentioned: shallow propaganda and demonization of Russia. Nothing new. Why not address more positive things, e.g. that US and Russia are close to agreement on flights over Syria (to avoid conflicts)?
Why many think that the only purpose of these op's in Syria is to challenge US? Russia has more solid reasons. The main one is that there are 5-7 thousand of armed thugs in various Syrian terrorist groups that came from Russia (its muslim regions) and neighboring countries (former USSR republics) with transparent borders with Russia.
It is obviously pragmatic (maybe even cynic, but we are talking military stuff here...) to dig them there, in the sand of the Syrian desert, along with their names, than to have them back here blowing up our cities, planes, trains, etc.
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There are social media rumblings about imminent rebel MANPAD use.
Which makes this analysis of the Syria MANPAD situation more pertinent:
Can MANPADS Be Controlled in Syria? - The Daily Beast
They have had them before: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=502_1361836674
Which makes this analysis of the Syria MANPAD situation more pertinent:
Can MANPADS Be Controlled in Syria? - The Daily Beast
They have had them before: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=502_1361836674
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MANPADs will inevitably appear on the scene, IMHO. Too many potential sources which they could come from. IMHO, strange that they were not used by now (or maybe they were, but it was not reported because of no damage).
Would be a serious threat, indeed, even though all the (Russian) planes there are twin-engine, and special measures had been taken to isolate a damaged one if hit by a MANPAD. After first losses in Afghanistan in mid 80's, it was discovered that Stinger itself did not make a fatal damage, but when an engine was destroyed, the turbine blades were cutting the fuselage. This was fixed then.
However, we all know that sometimes a silly chaotic firing from a Kalashnikov or a machine-gun could be painful for a low flying aircraft. Just a recent case:http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/afghanistan-u-s-fighter-f-16-jet-hit/
Would be a serious threat, indeed, even though all the (Russian) planes there are twin-engine, and special measures had been taken to isolate a damaged one if hit by a MANPAD. After first losses in Afghanistan in mid 80's, it was discovered that Stinger itself did not make a fatal damage, but when an engine was destroyed, the turbine blades were cutting the fuselage. This was fixed then.
However, we all know that sometimes a silly chaotic firing from a Kalashnikov or a machine-gun could be painful for a low flying aircraft. Just a recent case:http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/afghanistan-u-s-fighter-f-16-jet-hit/
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Russian order of battle:
4 Sukhoi Su-34 (Fullback) fighter bombers to fight ground, sea and air targets. Should replace the Su-24. During ground operations of the Syrian armed forces, russian fighter jets reach on average 60 sorties per day.
4 Sukhoi Su-30SM (Flanker-C): 4.5 generation multirole fighter planes;
10 Sukhoi Su-25SM single-seated and 2 Sukhoi Su-25UM two-seated (Frogfoot): close air support;
12 Sukhoi Su-24M2 (Fencer): fighter bombers to fight ground, sea and air targets;
12 Mil Mi-24PN (Hind): large helicopter gunship, attack helicopter and low-capacity troop transport with room for eight passengers;
5 Mil Mi-8AMShT (Hip): transport and assault helicopters;
Orlan-10 UAVs: already been used for reconnaissance in Syria for a longer time;
Yakovlev Pchela-1T UAVs: had probably already been used for reconnaissance in Syria before September 2015;
Granat-3 UAVs;
at least 1 Il-20M Coot-A, an ECM/ELINT version of the Ilyushin Il-18;
26-35 BTR-82A/B armoured personnel carriers: originating from the 27th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade;
6 or more T-90 battle tanks;
possibly BM-30 Smerch multiple launch rocket systems with a max. range of 90 km;
R-166-0.5 (ultra) high-frequency signal (HF/VHF) signalling vehicles: these allow interference resistant transmission of voice and data with a possible range, depending on frequency, of from 25 km to over 1,000 km;
1 Krasukha-4: a mobile, ground-based, electronic warfare system with an operational range of about 300 km;
an unknown number of Pantsir S-1 (SA-22 Greyhound) land-based short-range air defence missile systems;
possibly a “PM-56” or “PM-138” – Amur class floating workshop in the port of Tartus, and on the coast of Latakia the missile cruiser Moskva (Slava-Klasse), the destroyer Smetlivy (Kashin-Klasse), the Krivak-class frigates Pytlivyy and Ladny, and an unknown landing craft (“Russische Kriegsschiffe vor Latakia“, NZZ, 02.10.2015; Andrew Roth and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, “Russia’s military is unlikely to turn the tide in Syria’s war“, The Washington Post, 04.10.2015). Among other equipment Moskva has a S-300F (SA-N-6 Grumble) short-range air defense missile system with a range of about 90 km;
at least 10 KaMaz 4350, at least 10 Gaz 66 and a unknown number of Ural 4320: most likely unarmored or probably lightly armored troop transport vehicles;
quick to assemble accommodation for a total of about 3,500 men;
troop strength: currently around 200 marines.
And:
4 Sukhoi Su-34 (Fullback) fighter bombers to fight ground, sea and air targets. Should replace the Su-24. During ground operations of the Syrian armed forces, russian fighter jets reach on average 60 sorties per day.
4 Sukhoi Su-30SM (Flanker-C): 4.5 generation multirole fighter planes;
10 Sukhoi Su-25SM single-seated and 2 Sukhoi Su-25UM two-seated (Frogfoot): close air support;
12 Sukhoi Su-24M2 (Fencer): fighter bombers to fight ground, sea and air targets;
12 Mil Mi-24PN (Hind): large helicopter gunship, attack helicopter and low-capacity troop transport with room for eight passengers;
5 Mil Mi-8AMShT (Hip): transport and assault helicopters;
Orlan-10 UAVs: already been used for reconnaissance in Syria for a longer time;
Yakovlev Pchela-1T UAVs: had probably already been used for reconnaissance in Syria before September 2015;
Granat-3 UAVs;
at least 1 Il-20M Coot-A, an ECM/ELINT version of the Ilyushin Il-18;
26-35 BTR-82A/B armoured personnel carriers: originating from the 27th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade;
6 or more T-90 battle tanks;
possibly BM-30 Smerch multiple launch rocket systems with a max. range of 90 km;
R-166-0.5 (ultra) high-frequency signal (HF/VHF) signalling vehicles: these allow interference resistant transmission of voice and data with a possible range, depending on frequency, of from 25 km to over 1,000 km;
1 Krasukha-4: a mobile, ground-based, electronic warfare system with an operational range of about 300 km;
an unknown number of Pantsir S-1 (SA-22 Greyhound) land-based short-range air defence missile systems;
possibly a “PM-56” or “PM-138” – Amur class floating workshop in the port of Tartus, and on the coast of Latakia the missile cruiser Moskva (Slava-Klasse), the destroyer Smetlivy (Kashin-Klasse), the Krivak-class frigates Pytlivyy and Ladny, and an unknown landing craft (“Russische Kriegsschiffe vor Latakia“, NZZ, 02.10.2015; Andrew Roth and Thomas Gibbons-Neff, “Russia’s military is unlikely to turn the tide in Syria’s war“, The Washington Post, 04.10.2015). Among other equipment Moskva has a S-300F (SA-N-6 Grumble) short-range air defense missile system with a range of about 90 km;
at least 10 KaMaz 4350, at least 10 Gaz 66 and a unknown number of Ural 4320: most likely unarmored or probably lightly armored troop transport vehicles;
quick to assemble accommodation for a total of about 3,500 men;
troop strength: currently around 200 marines.
And:
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The Russian bodybags have started: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/903f7e9e-7c82-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_midea st%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz3plHeVJwu
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
The Russian bodybags have started: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/903f7e9e-7c82-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_midea st%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz3plHeVJwu
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
The Russian bodybags have started: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/903f7e9e-7c82-11e5-98fb-5a6d4728f74e.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fworld_midea st%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz3plHeVJwu
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
And the MANPADs have arrived (Google reverse image verified):
https://twitter.com/ZombieTVonline/s...25906996674561
1. The servicemans death has widely been confirmed as suicide. Including by his family.
2. I'm pretty sure that picture is from 2013.
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According to social media.
Old FN-6 pictures (left) had scratched out markings
New FN-6 pictures (right) have clearly visible markings:
And apparently RuAF helicopters mow behave as if rebels have MANPADs. Popping flares left and right.
Also
Surely death by suicide is worse for morale than death in combat?
Old FN-6 pictures (left) had scratched out markings
New FN-6 pictures (right) have clearly visible markings:
And apparently RuAF helicopters mow behave as if rebels have MANPADs. Popping flares left and right.
Also
Surely death by suicide is worse for morale than death in combat?
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4 Sukhoi Su-34 (Fullback) fighter bombers to fight ground, sea and air targets. Should replace the Su-24. During ground operations of the Syrian armed forces, russian fighter jets reach on average 60 sorties per day.
A very capable MANPAD but I've always thought mounting the tail fins at the front of the missile tube to be a rather unnecessary complication.
I guess the Russians will find out how good the Chinese flare rejection techniques are….
I guess the Russians will find out how good the Chinese flare rejection techniques are….