Russia sends four SU27s to Syria
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Yes, Sir - you are perfectly right. Though being in AF for quite some time, I agree that the planes only can never win a war. They can and must be of help, but the ultimate word should be said by the soldiers on the ground.
But, here in Russia all the "zombi-boxes" (TV, radio, web propaganda) shout that the Russian ground troops would never be involved in the offensive ops. Even the local "guy No. 1" said that in the interview. Only some marines are securing the airbases.
As far as I understand, the Russian forces would provide air support to the Syrian army, and the latter will be facing bullets.
This looks reasonable for me so far, because the public opinion here would be very much against that (human losses) and the ruling group would loose the fragile public support they currently have.
Yes, Sir - you are perfectly right. Though being in AF for quite some time, I agree that the planes only can never win a war. They can and must be of help, but the ultimate word should be said by the soldiers on the ground.
But, here in Russia all the "zombi-boxes" (TV, radio, web propaganda) shout that the Russian ground troops would never be involved in the offensive ops. Even the local "guy No. 1" said that in the interview. Only some marines are securing the airbases.
As far as I understand, the Russian forces would provide air support to the Syrian army, and the latter will be facing bullets.
This looks reasonable for me so far, because the public opinion here would be very much against that (human losses) and the ruling group would loose the fragile public support they currently have.
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The Russians have come clean and have admitted to bombing non-IS targets.
Russia in Syria: Kremlin admits air strikes are bombing anti-Assad rebel groups and not just Isis
Who told you that? CNN? BBC? Were they flying wing-to-wing with Su-24M? BTW, looks like the propaganda you referred to was pushed through the Net before the planes took off.
The Kremlin has admitted that air strikes in Syria are hitting a list of militant organisations opposed to the regime of President Bashar al-Assad – not only Islamic State (Isis) – bolstering Western fears that Vladimir Putin's real purpose in Syria is to help Assad reclaim lost territory.
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that the military operation in Syria was wider than initially framed. "These organisations [on the target list] are well-known and the targets are chosen in co-ordination with the armed forces of Syria."
Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters that the military operation in Syria was wider than initially framed. "These organisations [on the target list] are well-known and the targets are chosen in co-ordination with the armed forces of Syria."
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I was questionning casualties among the civilians.
Attacking armed people is completely different. Some support that local Syrian "fuehrer", some - so-called rebels, it's one's choice. As for me, they all are not good guys. Many examples that troops of both side easily join IS taking the arms earlier provided to them by US or Russia.
Showing some TV footage taken "who knows when and where" is now a wide-spread trick allowing for blaming anybody on whatever subjects.
The same for all those twitter and facebook posts - no responsibility for saying any nonsense stimulates generating more and more garbage.
Attacking armed people is completely different. Some support that local Syrian "fuehrer", some - so-called rebels, it's one's choice. As for me, they all are not good guys. Many examples that troops of both side easily join IS taking the arms earlier provided to them by US or Russia.
Showing some TV footage taken "who knows when and where" is now a wide-spread trick allowing for blaming anybody on whatever subjects.
The same for all those twitter and facebook posts - no responsibility for saying any nonsense stimulates generating more and more garbage.
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There was a graphic on Fox at around 1900 UK time that showed where the bombing was supposed to have taken place. Not in ISIS areas, but where anti-Assad rebels are located.
OK, I know it's Fox, but all info should be considered.
OK, I know it's Fox, but all info should be considered.
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At this time it seems that the Russian and Iranian ground troops are only interested in regaining ground that Assad lost to the rebels.
That may change.
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That may change.
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"Enemy to the front, 5 rounds . . . "
"If it looks like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist, acts like a terrorist . . . " it's not a Duck.
Unpalatable as it may be to US eyes, ie contrary to their thinking, it makes sound military sense to clear your front rather than allowing various flavours of 'friendly' rebels to prosper in your rear area.
The Russians had plenty of experience of manoeuvre warfare in WW 2, the Vietnamese exploited the flanking manoeuvre and the Israelis exploited the turning manoeuvre in the Yom Kippur. What they appear to be doing now is attempting to secure their flanks.
"If it looks like a terrorist, walks like a terrorist, acts like a terrorist . . . " it's not a Duck.
Unpalatable as it may be to US eyes, ie contrary to their thinking, it makes sound military sense to clear your front rather than allowing various flavours of 'friendly' rebels to prosper in your rear area.
The Russians had plenty of experience of manoeuvre warfare in WW 2, the Vietnamese exploited the flanking manoeuvre and the Israelis exploited the turning manoeuvre in the Yom Kippur. What they appear to be doing now is attempting to secure their flanks.
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Vietnam part deux...
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Or Chechenya? Or Afg part X or Middle East part X.
Is there a lesson in history I wonder?
Is there a lesson in history I wonder?
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
I agree with the below for the most part; my misgivings are in escalation if Turkey, Saudi et al reinforce their allies - and the possible repercussions in Saudi itself. Their present regime is tottering due to their involvement in Yemen becoming a morass - and calls from influential sources for regime change. They could be forced to react to show their determination.
Streetwise Professor: Let Putin Find Out the Hard Way
Streetwise Professor: Let Putin Find Out the Hard Way
Gulf states vs Putin.
That's not much of a fight card. All 3 rounds will go to Russia.
Maybe it's time to start digging the bunker in the backyard.
That's not much of a fight card. All 3 rounds will go to Russia.
Maybe it's time to start digging the bunker in the backyard.
Hi, over the weekend see:
Turkish jets intercept Russian fighter plane violating its air space, foreign ministry says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Another potential flash point?
Turkish jets intercept Russian fighter plane violating its air space, foreign ministry says - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Turkey has intercepted a Russian warplane that violated its air space near the Syrian border and forced it to turn back, Turkey's foreign ministry said.
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First a very nice report of Russian TV, showing their beautiful deployment of efficient assets. Reminds me of PSAB in the 90's :
Inside a Russian airbase in Syria: RT?s exclusive close-up (PHOTOS, VIDEO) ? RT News
Now regarding "deconfliction" over Syrian airspace, which the US "control" (according to the wording of our medias) : a Russian Air Force colonel in Bagdad does communicate one hour before their strikes, where and how the Russian jets are going to fly. So the CCOA or whatever in Qatar is readjusting the ATO in accordance...
That's for deconfliction ! Absolutely brilliant !
And I'm sure those people don't bother with female legal advisers (LEGAD) close to their colonels when it's time to drop the bombs...
For the unexperienced, a LEGAD is something (often with a few stripes and uniform, sometimes not) who has never been in combat, has never been shot at, is not qualified in the operation of any weapon system, has never brought his men to action... but nevertheless wil tell the previously mentioned AF colonel if it's appropriate to bomb or not. That's what improved communication systems (C3I) allow for !
Good luck to the Russians. It's good to have them doing the job.
Давай ! ура ! ура ! ура ! Победы
Inside a Russian airbase in Syria: RT?s exclusive close-up (PHOTOS, VIDEO) ? RT News
Now regarding "deconfliction" over Syrian airspace, which the US "control" (according to the wording of our medias) : a Russian Air Force colonel in Bagdad does communicate one hour before their strikes, where and how the Russian jets are going to fly. So the CCOA or whatever in Qatar is readjusting the ATO in accordance...
That's for deconfliction ! Absolutely brilliant !
And I'm sure those people don't bother with female legal advisers (LEGAD) close to their colonels when it's time to drop the bombs...
For the unexperienced, a LEGAD is something (often with a few stripes and uniform, sometimes not) who has never been in combat, has never been shot at, is not qualified in the operation of any weapon system, has never brought his men to action... but nevertheless wil tell the previously mentioned AF colonel if it's appropriate to bomb or not. That's what improved communication systems (C3I) allow for !
Good luck to the Russians. It's good to have them doing the job.
Давай ! ура ! ура ! ура ! Победы
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" Six Russian fighter jets type Multirole Sukhoi SU – 30 SM have intercepted 4 Israeli McDonnell Douglas F-15’s fighter bombers attempting to infiltrate the Syrian coast."
Air Duel between the Sukhoi Su - 30 Russian SM and Israeli F-15 - Intifada Palestine
Fiction? Or another interesting facet of this complex situation?
Air Duel between the Sukhoi Su - 30 Russian SM and Israeli F-15 - Intifada Palestine
Fiction? Or another interesting facet of this complex situation?
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And I'm sure those people don't bother with female legal advisers (LEGAD) close to their colonels when it's time to open fire...
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"For the unexperienced, a LEGAD... ...who has never been in combat, has never been shot at, is not qualified in the operation of any weapon system, has never brought his men to action... but nevetheless wil tell the previously mentioned AF colonel if it's appropriate to bomb or not"
Okay, I'll bite. If I were to be diagnosed with cancer, I'd be wanting the support of the best oncologist I could find. In the early stages, I would not be prioritising speaking to other cancer patients (other than to find a good oncologist).
The whole point of a LEGAD is to provide the counter-point view if needed, to act as Devil's advocate as it were. If the LEGAD had done all the things you mention above then they would probably no differnt in mindset to the AF Colonel and therefore be of little use.
Okay, I'll bite. If I were to be diagnosed with cancer, I'd be wanting the support of the best oncologist I could find. In the early stages, I would not be prioritising speaking to other cancer patients (other than to find a good oncologist).
The whole point of a LEGAD is to provide the counter-point view if needed, to act as Devil's advocate as it were. If the LEGAD had done all the things you mention above then they would probably no differnt in mindset to the AF Colonel and therefore be of little use.
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Turkey says Russian warplane violated its airspace | World news | The Guardian
too many countries operating in the same area without coordination, bound to create more tension?
too many countries operating in the same area without coordination, bound to create more tension?
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OOPS!
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/650987196116267008
https://twitter.com/Paradoxy13/statu...84061415104512
Alleged video of ejected pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=lgxTQZfkjKw
https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/650987196116267008
https://twitter.com/Paradoxy13/statu...84061415104512
Alleged video of ejected pilot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=lgxTQZfkjKw
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