230 Sqn shenannigans?
It certainly was his 'own' LR.
My memory is less clear about any damage done, more about (it was said) his refusal to stand down from a confrontation with a copper, who was saying, "Sir, perhaps I should drive you home instead?"
His leaving do was in the Spexard Inn, as I recall, and the turnout was big. He was a good boss.
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My memory is less clear about any damage done, more about (it was said) his refusal to stand down from a confrontation with a copper, who was saying, "Sir, perhaps I should drive you home instead?"
His leaving do was in the Spexard Inn, as I recall, and the turnout was big. He was a good boss.
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I was there at the time, but not at the function. Iirc, I was out on exercise, living in a farmer's barn. The reason the OC was back at base, rather than with us was because he was acting Stn Cdr. Which didn't make it any easier. He was an exceptional Boss...apart from said incident. A great shame, it saddens me to think of it even now. But he did come up smelling of roses, in the end.
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There was an incident at Gut after an OM function when a Flt Lt decided he was fed up of waiting for the coach to depart and attempted to drive it away, as it was winter the driver had left the engine running to keep the heater on. One of the pax on board was one of the MT Sqn's Flt Lt's who removed the offender. IIRC there was damage to both the coach and private property. Plod tried to put partial responsibility on the SAC MTD, but the MTO on board told them he had ordered the driver to leave the engine on.
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Bloody hell - I'm totally confused now.....far too many Wobblies at the time and too many years in between....!
Still, it was just one of many 'jolly japes' at the best RAF base ever and good to hear it didn't get in the way of a good bloke achieving a worthy rank........
Brings back 'happy' memories of my own interview (no coffee or sit down...) with the Staish over a little post-happy hour incident.....
Still, it was just one of many 'jolly japes' at the best RAF base ever and good to hear it didn't get in the way of a good bloke achieving a worthy rank........
Brings back 'happy' memories of my own interview (no coffee or sit down...) with the Staish over a little post-happy hour incident.....
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I've only ever had one "interview with Harry Staish" and not only was I not wearing my SD Cap, I was wearing my slippers instead of shoes.
I can't recall how it came about that I had no shoes with me when the Snowdrops collected me.
The SWO (Jack Shiel, a lovely man, with both his heart & head in the right place) was very unimpressed as he marched me in for Gp Capt Botterill to read my tea leaves. If only I had taken the advice offered and gone back to work as if nothing had happened, how different life would have been.
Still, at least I hadn't hit anyone.
I can't recall how it came about that I had no shoes with me when the Snowdrops collected me.
The SWO (Jack Shiel, a lovely man, with both his heart & head in the right place) was very unimpressed as he marched me in for Gp Capt Botterill to read my tea leaves. If only I had taken the advice offered and gone back to work as if nothing had happened, how different life would have been.
Still, at least I hadn't hit anyone.
Then, many years ago, there were a couple of incidents after guest nights in College Hall (as it was then) involving variously an Asst Commandant's staff car, and a sqn cdr's Jaguar. At least on of those involved went on to have a distinguished career
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I've only ever had one "interview with Harry Staish" and not only was I not wearing my SD Cap, I was wearing my slippers instead of shoes.
Most Of my not needed kit had gone back to UK in my boxes, cases etc were shipped up to departure airfield the day before I left by my mate and they had my uniforms in them.... Some people just do not have a sense of humour, and that included the SDO lol..... I thought the poor man was going to have a coronary and a friendly smile didn't seem to appease him...
I got arrested and charged with being drunk on my last day in Germany lol, nice Plod chaps in their white Range Rover didn't see them giving me a lift back thus saving me the cost of a taxi fare and me pointing it out as amusing.. After the fine which was less than the taxi fare would have cost, I had to do the PM Jankers before leaving in the morning . They couldn't even figure out who would read the charge as I had cleared the Station so was in limbo.
Well, if I was the Defending Officer, at the CM I would submit a 'plea in bar of trial'.
The basis of the plea would be that the accused would be denied a fair trial because of the lengthy discussion of this case and other aspects on an outrageous website called pprune! I would submit that my client had been needlessly exposed to ridicule, pre-judgement and there was no chance of a fair trial, therefore.
If that was rejected then I would immediately challenge each and every member of the court as to their knowledge of pprune and their prior knowledge of the case. That should take up a couple of days at least.
Drifting slightly, in 1982 I was appointed to defend an airman who was to plead guilty to a serious charge. Due to the power of my advocacy - as they say - the court did not find him guilty: quite proud of that little episode!!
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The basis of the plea would be that the accused would be denied a fair trial because of the lengthy discussion of this case and other aspects on an outrageous website called pprune! I would submit that my client had been needlessly exposed to ridicule, pre-judgement and there was no chance of a fair trial, therefore.
If that was rejected then I would immediately challenge each and every member of the court as to their knowledge of pprune and their prior knowledge of the case. That should take up a couple of days at least.
Drifting slightly, in 1982 I was appointed to defend an airman who was to plead guilty to a serious charge. Due to the power of my advocacy - as they say - the court did not find him guilty: quite proud of that little episode!!
Up the workers.
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Drifting slightly, in 1982 I was appointed to defend an airman who was to plead guilty to a serious charge. Due to the power of my advocacy - as they say - the court did not find him guilty: quite proud of that little episode!!
He always used to say:
"Due to my legal knowledge and skills as an advocate, I got him off with 56 days in Colchester!!"
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I was escort to one of my airmen who was up in front of the CO for being caught in an 'out of bounds area' (aka knocking shop) in Limassol.
The CO awarded him 7 days jankers with a warning that should he offend again it could be 28 days next time. In a rich geordie accent the airman replied that he might as well make it 28 days now 'cos he wasn't going to be celibate (words to that effect) for the next two years.
The CO could barley conceal his need to burst out laughing as we were quickly dismissed by the Flt Sgt., to the sounds of laughter from the CO's office.
The CO awarded him 7 days jankers with a warning that should he offend again it could be 28 days next time. In a rich geordie accent the airman replied that he might as well make it 28 days now 'cos he wasn't going to be celibate (words to that effect) for the next two years.
The CO could barley conceal his need to burst out laughing as we were quickly dismissed by the Flt Sgt., to the sounds of laughter from the CO's office.
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I was present - can't recall the capacity - at a Det CO's Orderly Room in Norn Iron once.
One of our crewmen had been observed by an aged - well, 40-something - RAFP Cpl servicing a "Carrickfergus Commando" on the billiard table of the Sgts' Mess. Cpl on his rounds had seen the alleged offence through the (insufficiently curtained!) window of the billiard room.
The Crewman was a good hand, and so the Boss was doing his best to "get him off" on a lesser charge or something.
Boss: So Cpl Snooks, what makes you so sure that Sgt Thruster was actually having intercourse when you saw him?
Cpl: Well, Sir, I've been married for 19 years, so I reckon I knows it when I sees it!
Much fists in mouths to prevent the laughter......
One of our crewmen had been observed by an aged - well, 40-something - RAFP Cpl servicing a "Carrickfergus Commando" on the billiard table of the Sgts' Mess. Cpl on his rounds had seen the alleged offence through the (insufficiently curtained!) window of the billiard room.
The Crewman was a good hand, and so the Boss was doing his best to "get him off" on a lesser charge or something.
Boss: So Cpl Snooks, what makes you so sure that Sgt Thruster was actually having intercourse when you saw him?
Cpl: Well, Sir, I've been married for 19 years, so I reckon I knows it when I sees it!
Much fists in mouths to prevent the laughter......
One of our crewmen had been observed by an aged - well, 40-something - RAFP Cpl servicing a "Carrickfergus Commando" on the billiard table of the Sgts' Mess.
On Orderly Rooms: do I recall correctly, that the guilty party was offered the right to accept the punishment awarded (great use of English that); or reject it in favour of a CM? BEFORE the said guilty party was privvy to the award!
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PS Sergeant's Mess, ergo snooker, not billiards!
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One of our crewmen had been observed by an aged - well, 40-something - RAFP Cpl servicing a "Carrickfergus Commando" on the billiard table of the Sgts' Mess. Cpl on his rounds had seen the alleged offence through the (insufficiently curtained!) window of the billiard room.
The Crewman was a good hand, and so the Boss was doing his best to "get him off" on a lesser charge or something.
The Crewman was a good hand, and so the Boss was doing his best to "get him off" on a lesser charge or something.
Question is, was it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the pink was successfully potted?
Question is, was it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the pink was successfully potted?
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Ha, I recollect that a fellow flt cdr at Cranditz (well known Victor Tanker mate now barred from here) was allegedly caught looking after a US exchange officer on the snooker table in College hall after a dining in night. She had alopecia apparently and this was apparently corroborated by the witnesses but I couldn't possibly comment 
In one's youth, JOs had to attend - I think - three courts martial 'under instruction' before being eligible to be selected to sit in judgement. My first was at Ternhill where a Cranwell Sword of Honour cadet was being done for: 'Disobedience to a particular order' three counts; all because he didn't want to go to Borneo, the second was the 'staged' court martial at the Junior Command and Staff Course to which outsiders were invited. Much hilarity with phrases like: 'I recognise him, that's the little bar steward over there'.
The third was at Labuan where a corporal and a couple of airmen were being tried on charges of B&^^*ry. The prosecuting counsel went into great lengths - excuse the pun - about penetration having to be proved, I felt quite unwell!!
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The third was at Labuan where a corporal and a couple of airmen were being tried on charges of B&^^*ry. The prosecuting counsel went into great lengths - excuse the pun - about penetration having to be proved, I felt quite unwell!!
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Question is, was it proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the pink was successfully potted?
Hat, coat, door, etc