Flight Hours - Cold War Era
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From the logbook of a HuAF captain who flew on MiG-21bis. The yearly flight-hours in the late '70s >
1977 - 133h 36m
1978 - 171h 3m
1979 - 139h 17m
Repülések száma = Flights
Nappal = Daylight
Éjjel = Night
Befüggönyzött kabinban = under curtain
Felhőben = in clouds
Korlátozott látás... = at restricted visibility
Please comment with your data from the same period!
The most interesting: USAFE F-4, Luftwaffe F-4F, RAF FGR Mk2., Lightning etc
1977 - 133h 36m
1978 - 171h 3m
1979 - 139h 17m
Repülések száma = Flights
Nappal = Daylight
Éjjel = Night
Befüggönyzött kabinban = under curtain
Felhőben = in clouds
Korlátozott látás... = at restricted visibility
Please comment with your data from the same period!
The most interesting: USAFE F-4, Luftwaffe F-4F, RAF FGR Mk2., Lightning etc
I can give data from a decade later; 1989, last year of the Cold War (Tornado F3)
hrs
236 total
182 day
54 night
(6) twin-sticker
17 day IMC
16 night IMC
150 sorties
His average sortie length was 40 minutes, whereas mine was over an hour and a half.
I see he only had 26 hours in day / good weather,vs 165 hrs for me.
I would guess a large part of his sorties were GCI. I had 47 sorties on low level affiliation training or big exercises, and 10 dedicated D/ACT.
I note the Hungarian guy did more hours IMC at night in 1979 than he actually spent airborne*
(*yes, I was the Sqn stats Officer for a while)
hrs
236 total
182 day
54 night
(6) twin-sticker
17 day IMC
16 night IMC
150 sorties
His average sortie length was 40 minutes, whereas mine was over an hour and a half.
I see he only had 26 hours in day / good weather,vs 165 hrs for me.
I would guess a large part of his sorties were GCI. I had 47 sorties on low level affiliation training or big exercises, and 10 dedicated D/ACT.
I note the Hungarian guy did more hours IMC at night in 1979 than he actually spent airborne*
(*yes, I was the Sqn stats Officer for a while)
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Or shorter..
He is from 2nd sqdn. Taszar airbase, MiG-21bis. Their primary task was 'dogfight'(most of the GCI work were done by the other sqdn. with MiG-21PF).
10 days in '78 May for example:
Rep-gep tipusa = aircraft type, 75 = MiG-21bis, 66 = MiG-21U, 69 = MiG-21UM
Melyik ulesbol lett vegrehajtva = from which seat on double seater, E = front, H = back-seat
A repules max. magassaga(km-ben) = max height of the flight in Km
Tenyleges idojaras = real weather
f. teto = cloud roof
f. alap = cloud base
borults = overcast
latas = visibility
The exercises >
533 gp. leharc = 2 vs 2 dogfight
500 "O" = low level, complex aerobatics, teaching from back-seat, over the airbase(with full afterburner from takeoff to landing, the 'famous' Soviet 500 )
226 = low level night intercept
212 = night from backseat as instructor
124/333 = attack on other airfield with full squadron
124/111/68 = attack on other airfield with full squadron
71/534 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/535 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/536 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/537 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
498 = complex aerobatics, ACM, as instructor from backseat
71/95 = low level intercept in pair
71/19/134 = chek flight in front seat - low level route flying
71/250 = low level intercept in clouds, night
Officially 0 for him. Just some occassional 'bouncing' with Hungary based Soviet MiG-23M,ML
Please give the Nr. of flights also!
Is this typical for Germany based RAF F-4 units also in that period? AFAIK the USAFE and Luftwaffe F-4 guys flew less in the late '70s.
His average sortie length was 40 minutes,
I would guess a large part of his sorties were GCI
10 days in '78 May for example:
Rep-gep tipusa = aircraft type, 75 = MiG-21bis, 66 = MiG-21U, 69 = MiG-21UM
Melyik ulesbol lett vegrehajtva = from which seat on double seater, E = front, H = back-seat
A repules max. magassaga(km-ben) = max height of the flight in Km
Tenyleges idojaras = real weather
f. teto = cloud roof
f. alap = cloud base
borults = overcast
latas = visibility
The exercises >
533 gp. leharc = 2 vs 2 dogfight
500 "O" = low level, complex aerobatics, teaching from back-seat, over the airbase(with full afterburner from takeoff to landing, the 'famous' Soviet 500 )
226 = low level night intercept
212 = night from backseat as instructor
124/333 = attack on other airfield with full squadron
124/111/68 = attack on other airfield with full squadron
71/534 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/535 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/536 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
71/537 = 2 vs 2 dogfight
498 = complex aerobatics, ACM, as instructor from backseat
71/95 = low level intercept in pair
71/19/134 = chek flight in front seat - low level route flying
71/250 = low level intercept in clouds, night
and 10 dedicated D/ACT.
I note the Hungarian guy did more hours IMC at night in 1979 than he actually spent airborne*
RAF F4 ( AD), First Tourist...
Jun 81 - Jun 82
Day 160:55
Night 49:20
Jun 81 - Jun 82
Day 160:55
Night 49:20
Is this typical for Germany based RAF F-4 units also in that period? AFAIK the USAFE and Luftwaffe F-4 guys flew less in the late '70s.
Last edited by MiG21SM; 16th May 2014 at 15:02.
Would be interested to know what they called a dogfight
Base Height?
Radar-Vis or just Visual?
How many splits in a sortie? 2/3?
How 'canned' the exercises were?
..and what did they call "low level"?
Base Height?
Radar-Vis or just Visual?
How many splits in a sortie? 2/3?
How 'canned' the exercises were?
..and what did they call "low level"?
Those with an interest in this area would do worse than obtain a copy of . Although it deals primarily with the former East German Air Force (EGAF) there is much that could be read across to the Hungarian Air force of the period.
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Would be interested to know what they called a dogfight
Base Height?
Radar-Vis or just Visual?
How many splits in a sortie? 2/3?
For example n.533-37, some scripted scenarios, 2 in each: you are on CAP, you are under attack, must to react with manouvers 'loop' 'knot' 'roof' ' shell' 'fork'
In other scenarios you are the attacker, in others free-fight etc.
..and what did they call "low level"?
Last edited by MiG21SM; 18th May 2014 at 14:28.
Link back to Air Forces Monthly thread for further discussion.
Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990? - Page 3
Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990?
Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990? - Page 3
Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990?
In 1977-1980, aircrew on the Phantom FGR2 Wing at RAF Wildenrath could get around 30 hours a month. A number who transferred in from a previous tour on the Phantom in Germany in the strike/attack/recce role were getting their 1000-hour Phantom badge part way through their 2nd tour. A major contributor to getting these hours were the MINEVALs, MAXEVALs and TACEVALs with an event occurring approximately every 4-6 weeks. During these, aircraft availability was maximized with up to 12 aircraft on a 10 AE squadron whenever it was possible to generate the in-use reserve from 2nd-line and also "arrange" for the aircraft due out to Major at RAF St Athan being retained for a few days after the replacement had been delivered. The normal modus operandi would be to have the QRA(I) aircraft + 7 others each on their own in 8 x Hardened Aircraft Shelters (HAS) and 4 x "spare" aircraft doubled up in a further 2 x HASs. It was not uncommon for each crew to get the 3 sorties allowed each day by RAFG regulations and I distinctly remember occasional waivers being obtained for a 4th sortie in a day. I also remember 92 Sqn getting more than 65 hours in one day and an average serviceability rate of 118% for a 3-day event (before the NATO rules were changed only allowing aircraft established - with tail numbers agreed at the start of the evaluation - to count).
It was not uncommon for each crew to get the 3 sorties allowed each day by RAFG regulations and I distinctly remember occasional waivers being obtained for a 4th sortie in a day. I also remember 92 Sqn getting more than 65 hours in one day
Guess you must have been one of those Bruggen wing targets then
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In 1977-1980, aircrew on the Phantom FGR2 Wing at RAF Wildenrath could get around 30 hours a month.