Flight Hours - Cold War Era
From the logbook of a HuAF captain who flew on MiG-21bis. The yearly flight-hours in the late '70s >
1977 - 133h 36m http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...7&d=1368282975 1978 - 171h 3m http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...8&d=1368283171 1979 - 139h 17m http://forum.keypublishing.com/attac...9&d=1368283215 Repülések száma = Flights Nappal = Daylight Éjjel = Night Befüggönyzött kabinban = under curtain Felhőben = in clouds Korlátozott látás... = at restricted visibility Please comment with your data from the same period! The most interesting: USAFE F-4, Luftwaffe F-4F, RAF FGR Mk2., Lightning etc |
I can give data from a decade later; 1989, last year of the Cold War (Tornado F3)
hrs 236 total 182 day 54 night (6) twin-sticker 17 day IMC 16 night IMC 150 sorties His average sortie length was 40 minutes, whereas mine was over an hour and a half. I see he only had 26 hours in day / good weather,vs 165 hrs for me. I would guess a large part of his sorties were GCI. I had 47 sorties on low level affiliation training or big exercises, and 10 dedicated D/ACT. I note the Hungarian guy did more hours IMC at night in 1979 than he actually spent airborne* ;) (*yes, I was the Sqn stats Officer for a while) |
F3 - and how many practice Q launches at weekends for the "Wing Commander's AFC". ;)
Knight's Templar this afty?? |
RAF F4 ( AD), First Tourist...
Jun 81 - Jun 82 Day 160:55 Night 49:20 |
2Planks- One!, and he didn't get one!
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Thank you for your comments!
His average sortie length was 40 minutes, I would guess a large part of his sorties were GCI 10 days in '78 May for example: http://s15.postimg.org/f45ssz3y3/ppr.jpg Rep-gep tipusa = aircraft type, 75 = MiG-21bis, 66 = MiG-21U, 69 = MiG-21UM Melyik ulesbol lett vegrehajtva = from which seat on double seater, E = front, H = back-seat A repules max. magassaga(km-ben) = max height of the flight in Km Tenyleges idojaras = real weather f. teto = cloud roof f. alap = cloud base borults = overcast latas = visibility The exercises > 533 gp. leharc = 2 vs 2 dogfight 500 "O" = low level, complex aerobatics, teaching from back-seat, over the airbase(with full afterburner from takeoff to landing, the 'famous' Soviet 500 ) 226 = low level night intercept 212 = night from backseat as instructor 124/333 = attack on other airfield with full squadron 124/111/68 = attack on other airfield with full squadron 71/534 = 2 vs 2 dogfight 71/535 = 2 vs 2 dogfight 71/536 = 2 vs 2 dogfight 71/537 = 2 vs 2 dogfight 498 = complex aerobatics, ACM, as instructor from backseat 71/95 = low level intercept in pair 71/19/134 = chek flight in front seat - low level route flying 71/250 = low level intercept in clouds, night and 10 dedicated D/ACT. I note the Hungarian guy did more hours IMC at night in 1979 than he actually spent airborne* RAF F4 ( AD), First Tourist... Jun 81 - Jun 82 Day 160:55 Night 49:20 Is this typical for Germany based RAF F-4 units also in that period? AFAIK the USAFE and Luftwaffe F-4 guys flew less in the late '70s. |
Would be interested to know what they called a dogfight
Base Height? Radar-Vis or just Visual? How many splits in a sortie? 2/3? How 'canned' the exercises were? ..and what did they call "low level"? |
Those with an interest in this area would do worse than obtain a copy of . Although it deals primarily with the former East German Air Force (EGAF) there is much that could be read across to the Hungarian Air force of the period.
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Would be interested to know what they called a dogfight Base Height? Radar-Vis or just Visual? How many splits in a sortie? 2/3? For example n.533-37, some scripted scenarios, 2 in each: you are on CAP, you are under attack, must to react with manouvers 'loop' 'knot' 'roof' ' shell' 'fork' In other scenarios you are the attacker, in others free-fight etc. ..and what did they call "low level"? |
I think the first RAF pilots who tasted the '21. 1992 Hungary:
http://s30.postimg.org/tchfomz01/ppr3.jpg http://s14.postimg.org/4u80ukso1/ppr4.jpg |
Link back to Air Forces Monthly thread for further discussion.
Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990? - Page 3 Why didnt Warpac states adopt MiG-23 en masse and still relied on MiG-21 by 1990? |
In 1977-1980, aircrew on the Phantom FGR2 Wing at RAF Wildenrath could get around 30 hours a month. A number who transferred in from a previous tour on the Phantom in Germany in the strike/attack/recce role were getting their 1000-hour Phantom badge part way through their 2nd tour. A major contributor to getting these hours were the MINEVALs, MAXEVALs and TACEVALs with an event occurring approximately every 4-6 weeks. During these, aircraft availability was maximized with up to 12 aircraft on a 10 AE squadron whenever it was possible to generate the in-use reserve from 2nd-line and also "arrange" for the aircraft due out to Major at RAF St Athan being retained for a few days after the replacement had been delivered. The normal modus operandi would be to have the QRA(I) aircraft + 7 others each on their own in 8 x Hardened Aircraft Shelters (HAS) and 4 x "spare" aircraft doubled up in a further 2 x HASs. It was not uncommon for each crew to get the 3 sorties allowed each day by RAFG regulations and I distinctly remember occasional waivers being obtained for a 4th sortie in a day. I also remember 92 Sqn getting more than 65 hours in one day and an average serviceability rate of 118% for a 3-day event (before the NATO rules were changed only allowing aircraft established - with tail numbers agreed at the start of the evaluation - to count).
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It was not uncommon for each crew to get the 3 sorties allowed each day by RAFG regulations and I distinctly remember occasional waivers being obtained for a 4th sortie in a day. I also remember 92 Sqn getting more than 65 hours in one day |
Guess you must have been one of those Bruggen wing targets then....
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Guess you must have been one of those Bruggen wing targets then |
In 1977-1980, aircrew on the Phantom FGR2 Wing at RAF Wildenrath could get around 30 hours a month. |
<<Not difficult when you didn't need to (have to) do any flight planning...>>
And they usually briefed on Guard......:rolleyes: |
Well maybe that happened once or twice, but LLAD in a Wilders jet was definitely the sport of kings, especially when the gingerbeers took the fletchers off.....:ok:
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Well done 27mm! You sure did good against all those LCR crews working up on singleton "no evasion" sorties.:ok:
OAP |
BTW 27mm, the sport of kings was ACM, or maybe not, in an F4?
Why are you not 20mm?:) OAP |
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