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Our Boys Behaving Badly

Old 2nd Sep 2013, 17:51
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...six British Army rugby players beating a New York cop to a pulp
The OP is clearly a stickler for accuracy.

it is important that we encourage servicemen and women to at least try and maintain some sort of dignity, even in their drunkenness!
Agreed.

Yes, bravado and willy-waving can take place (if they must) but the modern soldier should remember (as those before have done) that in such circumstances a degree of restraint is in fact the greater show of strength and decidedly more British.
So public misbehaviour did not occur amongst earlier generations of British servicemen?

Deplorable as misbehaviour always is, I suggest you will find it less amongst today's serving personnel than in earlier times. And the likelihood of being discharged, should such misbehaviour be proved, is considerably greater in what you term these politically correct times.

there are of course one or two good Padres in the Forces
Generous of you!
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 18:11
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google NYPD beating and take your pick then.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 18:21
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google NYPD beating and take your pick then.
I don't see "beaten to a pulp".
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 18:23
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What? Respect for an off duty cop in a bar who has just called you a black bastard??
I don't think so!
I wasn't saying there would be respect, just that the cop might have expected it! I don't know a UK copper who would do the 'get back I'm a copper' routine.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 18:26
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It's utterly perverse that a knife-carrying racist can be treated as a victim.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:07
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Baffman, in post #18 I have noted the comments made by parabellum and Archimedes in which my inaccurate description of "beaten to a pulp" is acknowledged, as I do so again here.

Irrespective of the incident I am simply emphasising the importance of our forces maintaining the generally accepted good conduct that we have been known for in the past century or so.

On a wider scale (and my original post tried to pick up on this) what I am saying is that much of what has traditionally held us together as a society within the British Isles is slipping away. Progress requires change that's for sure, but not all change is progress.

Some will get it - others won't.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:23
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On a wider scale (and my original post tried to pick up on this) what I am saying is that much of what has traditionally held us together as a society within the British Isles is slipping away
As a student of sorts of English social history change has always occurred, all of the time; and the people living through those changes have always decried those changes. Read Sam Pepys' diaries, Dr Johnson or James Boswell, they were saying exactly the same as you.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:29
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PS....you certain that what is alleged is true?

You reckon the Fiji's are telling the whole complete unmitigated truth?

Willing to bet they being such stalwart up standing professionals, notwithstanding being in a Bar at 4AM in the morning while drinking, they might not have embellished their account just a wee bit to cover their tracks?

The Plod, having interviewed Witnesses, could have made correct decisions about what really happened and arrested the correct persons subsequent to that investigation?

Of course we have to assume the entire Police Department and even the Prosecutors Office are bigots, racists, and out to get these poor lads of color don't we?

Somehow I doubt that is the case.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:30
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thing: Well then, as a student "of sorts", you might also have had a thought for the sentence which immediately follows the one you quoted!
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:31
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Only a student of sorts as you say, didn't quite understand your banter in your 'some will get it, some won't.' I take it then that I won't get whatever 'it' is...
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:36
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I take it then that I won't get whatever 'it' is..
Clearly!

"It" is the sentence which follows the one you quoted!

Bonne nuit (as we say in Britain, or is that شوبراتر).
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 19:38
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Still not tuned in but never mind!
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 20:03
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Originally Posted by parabellum View Post
As for service chaplains I think you might get a surprise, the last two I had anything to do with were very much soldier's chaplains, one had done about six years in the SAS then left the Army, came back as a chaplain and specialised in airborne forces, the other, on appointment to the Parachute Brigade, went through 'P' Company and then jumped at every opportunity thereafter. There are/were plenty more like them in the forces.
This is encouraging.

Military padres have generally managed to remain relevant by providing support which is valued by the communities to which they are attached.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 20:10
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You reckon the Fiji's are telling the whole complete unmitigated truth?
Gawd no.

Bastard in my experience isn't a very often used insult by yanks.

I think the whole lot of them are lying through there teeth.

They are all equally guilty of being drunken aggressive idiots.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 20:11
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Army rugby team on tour in New York, the Fijian members are out on the toot on their own. Where were the rest of the team? Why didn't they all stick together?
Questions for the officers perhaps, responsible for their men, in a big city.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 20:14
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Given that a far greater level of violence is being visited upon those with an altogether stronger claim of innocence elsewhere in the world tonight, why are we so concerned about this story.

A racist cop - well yes you do get them, thankfully few and far between.

Some troops, bit of alcohol perhaps on receiving end of racist remark - it get's a reaction. Yes that happens as well.

The cop has let himself, his employer and his country down.

The soldiers have let themselves, their employer and their country down.

Due process will follow for both parties - let's move on.

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 21:01
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Ah yes....the use of the British vernacular in Spam Land.....OOPS!

If he said he had been called something that started with the Letter N, followed by a compound word with the salient letters MF, or CS....I would give some serious credence to the accusation of racial epithets being used by the Cop.

But...."Black Bastard".....nope sorry O....does not ring right!

Nice try but no Cigar!

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 21:17
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No one can really comment on this without knowing the details and given the drunken nature of the whole affair that'll probably never be fully disclosed.

What worries me most is that allegedly, the cop was carrying a knife. NYPD are not without controversy though.


"Amadou Bailo Diallo (September 2, 1975 – February 4, 1999) was a 23-year-old immigrant from Guinea who was shot and killed in New York City on February 4, 1999 by four New York City Police Department plain-clothed officers: Sean Carroll, Richard Murphy, Edward McMellon and Kenneth Boss, who fired a combined total of 41 shots, 19 of which struck Diallo, outside his apartment at 1157 Wheeler Avenue in the Soundview section of The Bronx. The four were part of the now-defunct Street Crimes Unit. All four officers were acquitted at trial in Albany, New York.[1]Diallo was unarmed at the time of the shooting, and a firestorm of controversy erupted subsequent to the event as the circumstances of the shooting prompted outrage both within and outside New York City. Issues such as police brutality, racial profiling, and contagious shooting were central to the ensuing controversy."
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 22:12
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Willing to bet they being such stalwart up standing professionals,
notwithstanding being in a Bar at 4AM in the morning while drinking, they might not have embellished their account just a wee bit to cover their tracks?
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Every word in your quote applies equally to the policeman.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 22:27
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You notice I did not specify any limitations on who was included....it was a generic description of a recipe for disaster where ever it is encountered and who ever is involved.

Be it Glasgow or Atlanta the mixture is the same in results.
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