Our Boys Behaving Badly
US vs UK Punishments
Dependent on the MoU, if they are found guilty and subject to US penalties, they can expect harsher punishment in the US.
For instance, a typical punishment in the place where I live for a college kid Spring Breaker using profane language at a hotel employee is $500 and for under age 21 drinking is $1000 and a year on probation. Hence the local phrase "Arrive on vacation - leave on probation". "Littering on the Highway" is also $1000 - they only do it once.
For instance, a typical punishment in the place where I live for a college kid Spring Breaker using profane language at a hotel employee is $500 and for under age 21 drinking is $1000 and a year on probation. Hence the local phrase "Arrive on vacation - leave on probation". "Littering on the Highway" is also $1000 - they only do it once.
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Originally Posted by SASless:8032113
One wee pocket knife isn't about to scare off Six Drunks intent upon mayhem. It would certainly put an easily observed identifying mark or two on a few of them.
They would look a bit odd in a Show Up Parade with part of a Nose or an Ear missing wouldn't they?
They would look a bit odd in a Show Up Parade with part of a Nose or an Ear missing wouldn't they?
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Tell me again that I'm wrong. (My bold)
One wee pocket knife isn't about to scare off Six Drunks intent upon mayhem.
It would certainly put an easily observed identifying mark or two on a few of
them.
They would look a bit odd in a Show Up Parade with part of a Nose
or an Ear missing wouldn't they?
It would certainly put an easily observed identifying mark or two on a few of
them.
They would look a bit odd in a Show Up Parade with part of a Nose
or an Ear missing wouldn't they?
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I'd like to see the evidence that they were drunk and intent upon mayhem as opposed to responding to racial abuse.
No doubt SASless's failure to date to post this evidence is due to a simple oversight rather than the evidence being non-existent.
No doubt SASless's failure to date to post this evidence is due to a simple oversight rather than the evidence being non-existent.
4AM, Sports Bar, Wimmen, you reckon anyone (and that includes the Cop) was sober? No one was in the right in this.....how many times I have to tell you dunderheads that.
If you cannot grasp the interplay that being in a group of yer Mates, particularly when you are all in the Army....and play on the same Rugby Team, find yourself on a good run ashore....scored some Birds....after a long evening drinking....you just are not being serious when you think these guys were not aggressive. I would be shocked if they weren't.
Get real guys....your bunch should have downed their beer, grabbed the girls, and legged it to another Bar. That would have been the smart play.
Rule One of Bar Fighting is get your licks in quick and first....and run like Hell before the Cops get there.
They screwed up.
It appears the British Army is not standing by the Six....they remain in jail awaiting Trial. The British Army did not take custody of the Soldiers, did not post their Bail, and has not provided them Legal Counsel. The State of New York is providing them Legal Counsel through the Public Defenders Office at no cost to the Six.
I guess they pissed off their Commander when he had to cancel a Rugby Match with the NYPD that had been scheduled as part of their tour in the United States with other matches scheduled with some Marines out of Quantico and some Academy Midshipmen at the Naval Academy.
Court date now the 17th.
Perth....assuming you can understand what you do read....the account of the Cop's injuries and the description of the Assault should answer your question about the Mayhem.....I guess you are quite happy with Six guys beating up on one guy. Why I thought you would be all about that famous British sense of fair play we hear so much about.
Stay tuned P.....I will keep you posted on the outcome of the Case when it comes to Court.
Although I doubt the truth will satisfy you as it don't fit your opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/ny...icer.html?_r=0
If you cannot grasp the interplay that being in a group of yer Mates, particularly when you are all in the Army....and play on the same Rugby Team, find yourself on a good run ashore....scored some Birds....after a long evening drinking....you just are not being serious when you think these guys were not aggressive. I would be shocked if they weren't.
Get real guys....your bunch should have downed their beer, grabbed the girls, and legged it to another Bar. That would have been the smart play.
Rule One of Bar Fighting is get your licks in quick and first....and run like Hell before the Cops get there.
They screwed up.
It appears the British Army is not standing by the Six....they remain in jail awaiting Trial. The British Army did not take custody of the Soldiers, did not post their Bail, and has not provided them Legal Counsel. The State of New York is providing them Legal Counsel through the Public Defenders Office at no cost to the Six.
I guess they pissed off their Commander when he had to cancel a Rugby Match with the NYPD that had been scheduled as part of their tour in the United States with other matches scheduled with some Marines out of Quantico and some Academy Midshipmen at the Naval Academy.
Court date now the 17th.
Perth....assuming you can understand what you do read....the account of the Cop's injuries and the description of the Assault should answer your question about the Mayhem.....I guess you are quite happy with Six guys beating up on one guy. Why I thought you would be all about that famous British sense of fair play we hear so much about.
Stay tuned P.....I will keep you posted on the outcome of the Case when it comes to Court.
Although I doubt the truth will satisfy you as it don't fit your opinion.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/05/ny...icer.html?_r=0
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" Rule One of Bar Fighting is get your licks in quick and first....and run like Hell before the Cops get there."
Or just avoid it altogether, especially of you are visiting from OS.
Or just avoid it altogether, especially of you are visiting from OS.
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SASless,
My understanding of what I read is rather better than yours. You claimed the men were drunk and there was an intent to cause mayhem but have provided no evidence to support this. Please now provide specific evidence of the intent and the drunkeness.
I'm perfectly happy with six guys beating up a racist. Ten would have been better.
I'm intrigued that the racist stabber is now reported to be 33 rather than 21.
My understanding of what I read is rather better than yours. You claimed the men were drunk and there was an intent to cause mayhem but have provided no evidence to support this. Please now provide specific evidence of the intent and the drunkeness.
I'm perfectly happy with six guys beating up a racist. Ten would have been better.
I'm intrigued that the racist stabber is now reported to be 33 rather than 21.
500N,
. . and that is the best advice. IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A COWARD TO AVOID A FIGHT OVER NOTHING.
OTOH if it is important, that's another thing.
Edited to say that I have never been in a fight over anything important in my life - only idiot male egotism
Or just avoid it altogether, especially of you are visiting from OS.
OTOH if it is important, that's another thing.
Edited to say that I have never been in a fight over anything important in my life - only idiot male egotism
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perth....off to the Peanut Gallery with you....back bencher at that!
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Originally Posted by West Coast:8032993
Run with that idea Pete.
And how do we know their commanders aren't supporting the six through this? It could easily be that the authorities are taking a tough stance and not letting anyone near them.
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Coming from a green background I have often heard this phrase:
You CAN'T fight a Fijian so don't try!
None of us were there in the bar, but to sum up Brit soldiers from Fiji for those that don't know them, they are as brave and loyal as the suicidal Japanese in WW2 but MUCH bigger and stronger
One thing I have note is:
While all U.S. cops may carry side arms and do know how to use them, they are not all Olympic shooters and most couldn't hit a barn door. This applies to armed police all over the world. Police rarely discharge their weapons at live targets in anger, and don't shoot enough to become instinctive shooters IMHO.
You CAN'T fight a Fijian so don't try!
None of us were there in the bar, but to sum up Brit soldiers from Fiji for those that don't know them, they are as brave and loyal as the suicidal Japanese in WW2 but MUCH bigger and stronger
One thing I have note is:
While all U.S. cops may carry side arms and do know how to use them, they are not all Olympic shooters and most couldn't hit a barn door. This applies to armed police all over the world. Police rarely discharge their weapons at live targets in anger, and don't shoot enough to become instinctive shooters IMHO.
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Asked whether the men would be able to post bail, Capt. Matt Stevens, who is the soldiers’ commanding officer and was not present when the assault was said to have occurred, said, “Hopefully.”
3 meals per day.
no hotel bills.
The Sgt Major can't get his hands on us.
Free gym.
The rest of the lads can't get there hands on us for screwing up the tour.
And this place is sweet compared to the guardroom in Dreghorn.
Pay the bail you must be joking.
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Aye I should imagine along with their presence beating up a cop won't do them any harm.
And the screws won't touch them because it would be a diplomatic incident.
And thinking about it even if they do go through the system and get kicked out.
I won't be the end of the world for them. They will be straight into the CPO market or super tanker protection. They will be doubling if not trebling their salary's. And they would be out mid redundancy rounds and before this referendum nonsense, if it goes through.
If the army really wanted to punish them they should keep them in and send them to Norway during the winter for 6 months in the field. From my limited experience dealing with them they get pretty miserable when it snows.
And the screws won't touch them because it would be a diplomatic incident.
And thinking about it even if they do go through the system and get kicked out.
I won't be the end of the world for them. They will be straight into the CPO market or super tanker protection. They will be doubling if not trebling their salary's. And they would be out mid redundancy rounds and before this referendum nonsense, if it goes through.
If the army really wanted to punish them they should keep them in and send them to Norway during the winter for 6 months in the field. From my limited experience dealing with them they get pretty miserable when it snows.
Mad,
Which is it....are they Heroes or Bums?
They canna be both can they?
The got put in Nick, killed the Public Relations Rugby Tour, embarrassed the British Army and their Mates, are at risk of being chucked out of the Army.
These young Lads made a huge mistake....and shall pay a heavy price for it....perhaps too heavy.
As to their being immediately hired and payed lots of Dosh doing private work.....you sure that might happen?
As an employer for those kinds of positions....would I not be remiss if I did not do a Personnel Reliability Background Check before hiring someone?
When the background check shows up the arrests and convictions, the Dishonorable Discharge from the Army.....you reckon I would want to hire them over others that are as qualified or even more qualified but with an absolutely squeaky clean record and no record of problematic conduct?
All of us make life decisions that determine the path we take in life.....these six young men made the entirely wrong decision. There were any number of other options they could have....and should have taken...but did not do so.
Now...they have to pay a price for that.
Shame as I would suspect these guys would very much be the kind of Soldier one would like to serve in with in Combat.
If somehow the charges are dropped or some sort of deal is arranged where they escape punishment under the US Criminal System....they still risk a Civil Proceeding if the Cop decides to sue for damages caused by the attack. If the Cop is smart....which current evidence clearly shows he is not.....he would have already done that to ensure there is an Immigration Hold placed on the Soldiers.
Which is it....are they Heroes or Bums?
They canna be both can they?
The got put in Nick, killed the Public Relations Rugby Tour, embarrassed the British Army and their Mates, are at risk of being chucked out of the Army.
These young Lads made a huge mistake....and shall pay a heavy price for it....perhaps too heavy.
As to their being immediately hired and payed lots of Dosh doing private work.....you sure that might happen?
As an employer for those kinds of positions....would I not be remiss if I did not do a Personnel Reliability Background Check before hiring someone?
When the background check shows up the arrests and convictions, the Dishonorable Discharge from the Army.....you reckon I would want to hire them over others that are as qualified or even more qualified but with an absolutely squeaky clean record and no record of problematic conduct?
All of us make life decisions that determine the path we take in life.....these six young men made the entirely wrong decision. There were any number of other options they could have....and should have taken...but did not do so.
Now...they have to pay a price for that.
Shame as I would suspect these guys would very much be the kind of Soldier one would like to serve in with in Combat.
If somehow the charges are dropped or some sort of deal is arranged where they escape punishment under the US Criminal System....they still risk a Civil Proceeding if the Cop decides to sue for damages caused by the attack. If the Cop is smart....which current evidence clearly shows he is not.....he would have already done that to ensure there is an Immigration Hold placed on the Soldiers.