Our Boys Behaving Badly
I had a peek over at ARRSE to see what the Brown Jobs had to say about this, and could find nothing
A mere 154 posts at the time of posting
Have the Mods there slapped a ban on comment, or is there a thread lurking that I cannot see?
Apparently not/Apparently, if
Six Squaddies beat up NYPD Cop is anything to go by
Jack
A mere 154 posts at the time of posting
Have the Mods there slapped a ban on comment, or is there a thread lurking that I cannot see?
Apparently not/Apparently, if
Six Squaddies beat up NYPD Cop is anything to go by
Jack
The off duty cop allegedly stabbed two of them first, which in my opinion, puts an entirely different complexion on a open and closed case of assault.
Do be specific with your information will you.
As to the carrying of a knife....read back in the thread and you will see a photo posted and a comment about how common it is for such a DEADLY WEAPON to be carried by the average American Male.
What really stands about ARSSE is the Brown Jobs seem to have a real sense of humor.....something the Light Blue Set here seem to lack.
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Originally Posted by SASless:8035944
Do be specific with your information will you.
What really stands about ARSSE is the Brown Jobs seem to have a real sense of humor.....something the Light Blue Set here seem to lack.
What really stands about ARSSE is the Brown Jobs seem to have a real sense of humor.....something the Light Blue Set here seem to lack.
Wot....no quote of a chronology that shows the stabbings took place first?
I thought you were prepared to prove that somehow.....what happened....can't find it in the NYT article you like so much?
I thought you were prepared to prove that somehow.....what happened....can't find it in the NYT article you like so much?
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At no stage did I claim to be able to prove that. If he was getting set on by six big guys would have had time to remove a folding knife from his pocket, set the blade then stab two of them? Highly unlikely.
Your post # 115
I asked you to prove your contention the Officer stabbed the guys before the attack began.
Nothing complicated about that is there?
Bottom line is too many are making statements without having the facts of what actually happened.
Too much of what has been said in support of the Six cannot be justified by the information that is known to be true from the various news articles.
If you are going to stand by your comment the Cop stabbed two of the Soldiers and the Soldiers then defended themselves.....be able to substantiate that position with some sort of attributable statement from a credible source. That is all I am asking of you.
The off duty cop allegedly stabbed two of them first, which in my opinion, puts an entirely different complexion on a open and closed case of assault.
I asked you to prove your contention the Officer stabbed the guys before the attack began.
Nothing complicated about that is there?
Bottom line is too many are making statements without having the facts of what actually happened.
Too much of what has been said in support of the Six cannot be justified by the information that is known to be true from the various news articles.
If you are going to stand by your comment the Cop stabbed two of the Soldiers and the Soldiers then defended themselves.....be able to substantiate that position with some sort of attributable statement from a credible source. That is all I am asking of you.
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SASless I have no proof that you are asking for, only the news channels that you'll have the same access to. Agreed, my post may carry an assumption that is perhaps biased towards the six but something isn't sitting well with me about all of this.
For one, and this is a generalisation, rugby players tend to leave the rough stuff on the field. They are normally ambassadors for their sport and the service they represent.
Secondly, if six of them had beaten this officer up, how did he manage to produce the knife and do it after the event. I just can't see that happening.
In any event, no one will come out of it looking good, whatever the outcome.
For one, and this is a generalisation, rugby players tend to leave the rough stuff on the field. They are normally ambassadors for their sport and the service they represent.
Secondly, if six of them had beaten this officer up, how did he manage to produce the knife and do it after the event. I just can't see that happening.
In any event, no one will come out of it looking good, whatever the outcome.
OP....one thing we both agree on is that nothing good shall come of all this.
I have not seen any report of their being an Internal Affairs/Professional Standards Investigation of the Officer's involvement but I would very surprised if there is not.
If the investigating officers assigned to the incident uncover sufficient independent information from Witnesses to fully satisfy themselves what actually happened and that clears the Officer of any misconduct, there might not be. If there is not, or if anything shows the Officer acted in a manner that violates the Law or Department Policy then there will be a formal investigation by a separate branch of the NYPD.
You can count on the Officer's conduct being very closely scrutinized.
His employment is at risk over this as is criminal charges should it be found he violated the law.
I have sent an email to the Reporter at the NYT who wrote the article seeking any other information he might have....and asked him some questions that would be good to have answered. No Reply from him yet.
I have not seen any report of their being an Internal Affairs/Professional Standards Investigation of the Officer's involvement but I would very surprised if there is not.
If the investigating officers assigned to the incident uncover sufficient independent information from Witnesses to fully satisfy themselves what actually happened and that clears the Officer of any misconduct, there might not be. If there is not, or if anything shows the Officer acted in a manner that violates the Law or Department Policy then there will be a formal investigation by a separate branch of the NYPD.
You can count on the Officer's conduct being very closely scrutinized.
His employment is at risk over this as is criminal charges should it be found he violated the law.
I have sent an email to the Reporter at the NYT who wrote the article seeking any other information he might have....and asked him some questions that would be good to have answered. No Reply from him yet.
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NYPD beatings reveal a trend of 'justice' - hopefully the incident will have been caught on tape and the true course of events revealed.
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Is the NYPD Beating up Kids Now? - Downtrend.com
New York Pols Wonder How Many NYPD Beatings Aren't Caught on Tape
NYPD Beatings: Caught on Tape - WFXG FOX54 Augusta - Your News One Hour Earlier
NYPD Turns Ugly Again! - Police Beatings and Arrest Peaceful Protester - 12160
Court hears former NYPD officer?s suit 22 years after bar beating left him brain-damaged - NY Daily News
Video Captures NYPD Officers Viciously Beating Man Inside Jewish Center | Video | TheBlaze.com
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I'm sure that if you do a search for alleged incidents of assault or abuse of powers involving british police you can turn up a similar number of results.
I wonder how many people posting on here would have a different attitude if a Met bobby had been beaten up 6 visiting US Marines, or US Army troops, in London?
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Very pleased to see that you removed your post, assuming you did it yourself. If not well done to the mods.
I'm sure that if you do a search for alleged incidents of assault or abuse of powers involving british police you can turn up a similar number of results.
I wonder how many people posting on here would have a different attitude if a Met bobby had been beaten up 6 visiting US Marines, or US Army troops, in London?
glad rag
Very pleased to see that you removed your post, assuming you did it yourself. If not well done to the mods.
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Probably would not happen....as One US Marine would be sufficient.
Can you imagine the Marine Corps reaction to such misconduct by a group of their Marines that were on a Goodwill PR Tour....knowing how the Marines are about bringing dishonor or disrespect to the Corps?
I can assure you the culprits would far rather deal with Civilian Authorities than they ever would with USMC authorities.
Probably would not happen....as One US Marine would be sufficient.
Can you imagine the Marine Corps reaction to such misconduct by a group of their Marines that were on a Goodwill PR Tour....knowing how the Marines are about bringing dishonor or disrespect to the Corps?
I can assure you the culprits would far rather deal with Civilian Authorities than they ever would with USMC authorities.
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I guess that USMC are so restrained at home that they save the bad behaviour for Ops:
US marines charged over urinating on bodies of dead Taliban in Afghanistan | World news | theguardian.com
Oh well, bad apples etc
This thread is nearly as funny as when I was sat with a Gp Capt lady in Episkopi listening to her say that it was unacceptable for the infantry to fight during off hours...'Simply unacceptable and not proper behaviour. More tea?'.
I didn't bother trying to educate her about the differences between her life and the lad that joins up to escape, is trained to fix bayonets, but can't write his own name let alone operate a computer - she obviously knew best and was not listening. Nice lady though.
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US marines charged over urinating on bodies of dead Taliban in Afghanistan | World news | theguardian.com
Oh well, bad apples etc
This thread is nearly as funny as when I was sat with a Gp Capt lady in Episkopi listening to her say that it was unacceptable for the infantry to fight during off hours...'Simply unacceptable and not proper behaviour. More tea?'.
I didn't bother trying to educate her about the differences between her life and the lad that joins up to escape, is trained to fix bayonets, but can't write his own name let alone operate a computer - she obviously knew best and was not listening. Nice lady though.
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" I can assure you the culprits would far rather deal with Civilian Authorities than they ever would with USMC authorities."
That's the way it was put to the "visiting" Marines over here.
Apart from being shipped back to Japan quick smart,
the USMC would come down on them like a ton of bricks.
Not many (if any) incidents since they arrived.
That's the way it was put to the "visiting" Marines over here.
Apart from being shipped back to Japan quick smart,
the USMC would come down on them like a ton of bricks.
Not many (if any) incidents since they arrived.
Gijoe,
You are aware the USMC had to drop Charges against the Officer in charge of those very Marines upon the Defense obtaining a Sworn Statement from a General Officer which told of the Commandant of the USMC instructing the General who was the Convening Authority that he wanted those involved "Crushed" by Courts Martials.
In our system....that is known as "Undue Command Influence" which in the Marine Corps is generally done not by a little finger pulling on one side of that balance scale of Justice....and not by standing upon it with a great big Boot.
Due to that illegal command influence....there is a new Convening Officer and now the tribunal is purely administrative and not a Legal Proceeding.
The Officer will more than likely be discharged under Dishonorable Conditions for his failure to prevent his Marines from photographing that misconduct by his Marines.
You are aware the USMC had to drop Charges against the Officer in charge of those very Marines upon the Defense obtaining a Sworn Statement from a General Officer which told of the Commandant of the USMC instructing the General who was the Convening Authority that he wanted those involved "Crushed" by Courts Martials.
In our system....that is known as "Undue Command Influence" which in the Marine Corps is generally done not by a little finger pulling on one side of that balance scale of Justice....and not by standing upon it with a great big Boot.
Due to that illegal command influence....there is a new Convening Officer and now the tribunal is purely administrative and not a Legal Proceeding.
The Officer will more than likely be discharged under Dishonorable Conditions for his failure to prevent his Marines from photographing that misconduct by his Marines.
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So the officer will be discharged for failing to prevent the action of photographing??
Not for not stopping the action of 'lagging on dead Afghans'??
Not for not preventing the action of 'lagging on dead Afghans'??
Now I am more confused than ever - some would say that is not hard - but this is a thread that has had people screaming 'should have known better those British Fijians - more tea?'
Anyway, when will the first Tomahawk go in?????
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Not for not stopping the action of 'lagging on dead Afghans'??
Not for not preventing the action of 'lagging on dead Afghans'??
Now I am more confused than ever - some would say that is not hard - but this is a thread that has had people screaming 'should have known better those British Fijians - more tea?'
Anyway, when will the first Tomahawk go in?????
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I didn't bother trying to educate her about the differences between her life and the lad that joins up to escape, is trained to fix bayonets, but can't write his own name let alone operate a computer - she obviously knew best and was not listening. Nice lady though.
Probably would not happen....as One US Marine would be sufficient
Altercations between the two countries troops have been going on for years. And I will freely admit that one side is not on the winning side all the time. Just depends on who is present.
I am quite sure there are areas of the US like there are in the UK where the locals will be quite happy to go one to one with a soldier and quite often give them there backsides in a sling.
You are correct though if these lads had really wanted to hurt said police officer we would be discussing 6 British soldiers murdered a NYPD cop. 6 against 1 I am sure 6 teenagers from the Bronx could have caused a lot more damage. There intent was obviously not to maim or permanently injure said person but merely to give him a slap. I am quite sure if he hadn't been in the NYPD we wouldn't be hearing about the incident at all. In fact they would more than likely have played the match and had drinks bought for them and everyone would have been laughing about it.