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Vintage Jet Fighter Accident in Madrid

Old 5th May 2013, 14:35
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Vintage Jet Fighter Accident in Madrid

Apparently today -

The accident happened shortly before 14:00 hours. A loud explosion enveloped the burning plane, which ended up crashing into the hangar that the police have the airfield. The pilot was trapped in the plane after the crash and was rescued by firefighters of the City,he survived the accident with serious injuries severe burn. Meanwhile, three policemen were injured: a young woman who is in mild condition, has been moved to Hospital La Paz and other two had sítomas of intoxicaicón, but they have been discharged. (google translate)
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amazing anyone got out of that one alive
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Apparently the aircraft was Hispano Aviación HA-200D Saeta EC-DXR.
EC-DXR - Fundación Infante de Orleans - FIO Hispano Aviación HA-200D Saeta at Madrid - Cuatro Vientos | Photo ID 281592 | Airplane-Pictures.net

The location is presumably Cuatro Vientos airfield.
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Old 5th May 2013, 15:32
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According to the ABC.es news site, the pilot has died after suffering serious burns.

For those who read Spanish:

Un avión modelo Saeta se estrella en Cuatro Vientos - ABC.es
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Pilot has since died

The 34 years old, who suffered serious burns all over his body, has died at the Hospital of Getafe. A further 8 wounded

The pilot of a jet plane Saeta-50's manufactured in Spain by Hispano Aviacion in the 50s - has died at the Hospital of Getafe where he was taken after the accident that killed his aircraft into a hangar at the airfield Madrid's Cuatro Vientos during an exhibition in an accident in which eight people have suffered mild poisoning due to fire during the set.

The accident happened past one in the afternoon, took place during one of the aerobatic shows held in Cuatro Vientos every first Sunday of the month, organized by Fundación Infante de Orleans, as confirmed to Efe one member Jose Antonio Martinez.

Emergency Sources Madrid have pointed to Efe that the pilot had to be rescued from the flames by fire apparatus of the City of Madrid.

The pilot was badly burned all over his body and was taken by Samur-Civil Protection Unit of the hospital burned Getafe, where he died.

Three national police, two men and a woman have been treated well by the various wounds Samur consideration.

The police officer has burns of first and second degree on face and neck and was taken to hospital La Paz, while one of the two policemen, the 57, has suffered hypertension and the other has been treated for a mild intoxication by smoke.

Five employees of the facility have also had to be addressed by the mild intoxication Summa smoke while trying to cool the fire sparked as a result of the impact, sources told Efe Madrid Emergency 112.

The aircraft has crashed into a hangar at the airfield, just 100 meters away from where about 3,000 people, according to organizers, the exhibition witnessed.

Jose Antonio Martinez explained to Efe that the pilot, 34, belongs to the foundation, based in Madrid airfield, and replaced on the show to a partner, because he did not belong flying today.

The accident, the causes are unknown, there was a time when in flight, the jet "flying at low altitude and very sharply, has hit the rocks and unable to raise the nose, has hit the ground causing an explosion, "added the representative of the Foundation.

Aena sources have confirmed to Efe the incident, which has been communicated to the Commission for Investigation of Civil Aviation accident, which will address the analysis of the causes of the event.

The Cuatro Vientos aerodrome, located eight kilometers from the center of the capital is not operational at this time, they have added the sources. (google translate)

Muere el piloto del avión estrellado en una exhibición en Cuatro Vientos | Intereconomía | 1001348
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Just got home from the show today.....an awful tragedy.
From what I could see from a hundred metres away, it was pretty sudden.
I can't imagine that the poor pilot felt anything.
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He survived the crash, but died in hospital.
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Strong video here:

Accidente en Cuatro Vientos - YouTube

May RIP...
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More 'vintage stunt plane' bullshit from the media already
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Old 6th May 2013, 09:04
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Just curious - where is all the outrage against the OP.

Two videos of two fatal accidents have been posted recently (with this one posted (it might appear) within minutes of it happening). One causes almost instant outrage, one doesn't.......

Strange old world.
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I was at C-V a few months ago. Saw the accident a/c and many other lovely vintage aircraft (mostly a/worthy).

It looks to me like the Saeta hit very near to its own hangar. There's going to be serious damage done to the airport infrastructure and other a/c in this accident. Very fortunate no-one in the hangars was killed.

In that second video, the Saeta pilot didn't really look to be pulling.

Maybe just looks that way though, or could pilot incap be an issue?
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Old 6th May 2013, 10:35
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Looks to be relatively slow, buried the nose.
What happened to crowd lines and display axis etc?
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Crowd lines, display axis? In Spain?
At Menorca flying club I have seen much macho bravado over the years.

One member bought a Chrokee Arrow and did a very low pass over the club house and pulled hard, the resultant accelerated stall saw him depart very rapidly into the scenery.
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Didn't look to be properly under control for reasons not apparent.

Judging by the aircraft that flew before this one, it appears to have rolled off the display axis altogether, as well as not being pitched enough early enough.

Absolutely tragic, especially for those unconnected with the display.
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Those people weren't at the display. There are other videos on the web showing it from the crowd's perspective. I don't think any could/should criticise the poor guy for his display axis.
The other videos show the aircraft developing a very high rate of descent which becomes apparent that the aircraft isn't going to recover from at about 500ish feet or so.
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I suspect the "display axis" might be part of the problem. The aircraft looks to be performing a shallow "wing over" towards the crowd with fairly low energy. It appears to me that in an attempt to keep the turn tight, he uses almost 90 degrees of bank and the nose slices down. I suspect he was at the buffet from half way around the turn and the crash was going to happen unless he had rolled off the bank and flown an escape before the nose was lowered (or dropped).
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It's not evident on that second clip, but C-V has a big drop off behind where he piled in.

If he was struggling to bring it round that turn, he could easily have rolled off the bank and descended even below airfield elevation if required. That would have taken him away from the field safely.

At first I thought 'why is he here?', but I think they must use a display line about 40 degrees off the runway c/l. He still must have been in some danger of overflying the crowd and maybe was hauling it around to avoid this.

Looks like he hit the Police Chopper hangar. It's right next to the museums hangar and resto shop.

Edit to add: That RATA that flew before him was very near the crowd and certainly flying towards it- when you first see the Saeta in the second clip, he circles right where the crowd are.
I suspect flying discipline 'may' be an issue here. I hope not though....

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Nicely labeled view of CV

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From this angle :
it's damn lucky no one else ended up dead. A little higher and a little further to his right, clip a hangar and into the crowd.
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