Bagram Crash 29 Apr 13 - Video Footage
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Heart breaking video. 
RIP. .
TOWTEAMBASE: The live leak link is posted at R & N. I watched the whole 3 minutes. At time 1:14-1:15 we hear the observer's first words: "Oh, f___!" There's an understatement.
I am guessing the observer is someone on perimeter security patrol, or some such, as there was sound of a canine in the cab. It looks from that clip that the wind was blowing away from the fuel trucks parked near the perimeter.
RIP. . TOWTEAMBASE: The live leak link is posted at R & N. I watched the whole 3 minutes. At time 1:14-1:15 we hear the observer's first words: "Oh, f___!" There's an understatement.
I am guessing the observer is someone on perimeter security patrol, or some such, as there was sound of a canine in the cab. It looks from that clip that the wind was blowing away from the fuel trucks parked near the perimeter.
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Bagram Crash 29 Apr 13 - Video Footage
Lone wolf
Does the fact it's on the Internet already justify pointing people in the right direction. I can't imagine the horror of the family if they were to come across it
Does the fact it's on the Internet already justify pointing people in the right direction. I can't imagine the horror of the family if they were to come across it
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Whilst I can see the point regarding the families of the victims, I'm not sure when PPRuNe decided to censor factual issues. This is a military forum, that is a military crash.
I lost count of the number of times I watched my mates die when they crashed into Lake Ontario. Or the number of times the Twin Towers crash was broadcast.
RIP the crew; and condolences to the families.
Duncs
I lost count of the number of times I watched my mates die when they crashed into Lake Ontario. Or the number of times the Twin Towers crash was broadcast.
RIP the crew; and condolences to the families.
Duncs
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TTB
If a family member did come across it I can just see them sitting there watching the clip all night, over and over each time hoping to see the aircraft recover.
I hope they don't see it until they have had time to take it all in. RIP to all.
If a family member did come across it I can just see them sitting there watching the clip all night, over and over each time hoping to see the aircraft recover.
I hope they don't see it until they have had time to take it all in. RIP to all.
Last edited by Always a Sapper; 30th April 2013 at 19:43.
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T:
I appreciate your strong reaction. I don't disagree that some will be disturbed by seeing it unfold.
We don't all react in the same way to the same thing.
You more or less have to go looking for this clip. I doubt a family member will randomly run across the video, but some may in fact want to see the end. Each person is differently disposed.
As someone who has previously investigated fatal aircraft accidents, it interests me. As tragic as it is to watch (and to imagine what was going on in the cockpit as it all went wrong) it is also of professional interest. I went well beyond fingers and toes in counting the friends and colleagues I have lost in aircraft crashes and mishaps over the years. Often all one got was an accident report or a second to fifth hand narration.
Please note the P in PPRuNe.
PS: civil crew on a military mission, contracted to carry military equipment. It's in the news release on what they were transporting: five vehicles.
I appreciate your strong reaction. I don't disagree that some will be disturbed by seeing it unfold.
We don't all react in the same way to the same thing.
You more or less have to go looking for this clip. I doubt a family member will randomly run across the video, but some may in fact want to see the end. Each person is differently disposed.
As someone who has previously investigated fatal aircraft accidents, it interests me. As tragic as it is to watch (and to imagine what was going on in the cockpit as it all went wrong) it is also of professional interest. I went well beyond fingers and toes in counting the friends and colleagues I have lost in aircraft crashes and mishaps over the years. Often all one got was an accident report or a second to fifth hand narration.
Please note the P in PPRuNe.
PS: civil crew on a military mission, contracted to carry military equipment. It's in the news release on what they were transporting: five vehicles.
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TTB,
Totally agree.
Lonewolf
The footage is easily googled. Have some thought for the families. If I crashed during my flight tomorrow, and my wife saw footage like that the day after, I can't imagine how she'd feel.
I too have had friends killed in crashes. Many crashes also are relevant to me professionally. Thats what the accident reports are for.
Instead of what, exactly?
RIP. Condolences to the families. Terrible.
Totally agree.
Lonewolf
The footage is easily googled. Have some thought for the families. If I crashed during my flight tomorrow, and my wife saw footage like that the day after, I can't imagine how she'd feel.
I too have had friends killed in crashes. Many crashes also are relevant to me professionally. Thats what the accident reports are for.
Often all one got was an accident report or a second to fifth hand narration.
RIP. Condolences to the families. Terrible.
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Agreed, I had seen it on live leak and decided not to link it here or anywhere, such a tragic loss, though the dates on the film differs from that of the supposed date of the incident, reported elsewhere say it was suspected cargo shift... I have to admit one would have thought a dim view should be taken in posting such a film online so close to the events... Not cool.
Either way, Condolences to the families and Rest In Peace guys, you may not have been in uniform, but you were just as much heroes in my eyes.
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Either way, Condolences to the families and Rest In Peace guys, you may not have been in uniform, but you were just as much heroes in my eyes.
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Im sure this footage is probably been shown on the American News Broadcasts so posting a clip on here wont really add to what is out there.
The re-runs of the Boston Marathon bombing was shown again and again as was 911 into the Twin Towers so soon after. Yes its distressing to watch the crash, even to a non-related observer but todays world now expects this sort of thing to be beamed into our TV rooms and computer screens.......sign of the times.
The re-runs of the Boston Marathon bombing was shown again and again as was 911 into the Twin Towers so soon after. Yes its distressing to watch the crash, even to a non-related observer but todays world now expects this sort of thing to be beamed into our TV rooms and computer screens.......sign of the times.
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Doubt it was a cargo shift. Waiting till the investigation is done, but my bet was the load was well out of limits when the jet got airborne.
Either way, RIP guys and thoughts with the families, and to all those involved on the ground at OAIX.
Either way, RIP guys and thoughts with the families, and to all those involved on the ground at OAIX.
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Professor Plum:
It is not an either or issue.
I don't accept your false dichotomy. As I stated above, some family members would not want to see it, and others would want to know, if they could. People differ in their reactions.
What are the odds your wife would be googling for crash video the day after, Professor?
As above, we each react differently.
Vin Rouge:
Most likely would seem to me to be ...
a. Load shift aft
b. Load / ACFT mistakenly out of CG
c. Runaway trim?
d. ????? (some other flight control malfunction)
We shall see.
For those getting upset at the video:
how many of you seen a crash happen right in front of you, in real life? You don't get to look away, you don't get to rewind, but there it is, right in front of you, as it happens. (I imagine a few of you have seen such, given this is a Mil Aircrew Forum).
Well, I have. It's something you never forget.
It is not an either or issue.
The footage is easily googled. Have some thought for the families.
If I crashed during my flight tomorrow, and my wife saw footage like that the day after, I can't imagine how she'd feel.
As above, we each react differently.
Vin Rouge:
Most likely would seem to me to be ...
a. Load shift aft
b. Load / ACFT mistakenly out of CG
c. Runaway trim?
d. ????? (some other flight control malfunction)
We shall see.
For those getting upset at the video:
how many of you seen a crash happen right in front of you, in real life? You don't get to look away, you don't get to rewind, but there it is, right in front of you, as it happens. (I imagine a few of you have seen such, given this is a Mil Aircrew Forum).
Well, I have. It's something you never forget.
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News outlets would be salivating to broadcast that, accident investigators would find it educational, and the morbidly curious will always press play.
At least on the Internet, families can choose not to watch, as opposed to it being thrust upon them in a news bulletin.
To each, their own.
At least on the Internet, families can choose not to watch, as opposed to it being thrust upon them in a news bulletin.
To each, their own.
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I would take solace knowing my loved one left this World without suffering and died doing what they loved doing. There is nothing grotesque about the video and as in anything one has the ability to simply not watch the video.
All this hand wringing doesn't change the cause or results of the crash and death of the people aboard.
People die in this business we participate in....always have...always will. That is the risk we accept when we put the Wings on our Chests.....the families understand that.
Sad to see it happen....but that is Life.
Learn from what happened if we can....and try to prevent it from happening again....at least then they were not lost without any good whatsoever coming from it.
All this hand wringing doesn't change the cause or results of the crash and death of the people aboard.
People die in this business we participate in....always have...always will. That is the risk we accept when we put the Wings on our Chests.....the families understand that.
Sad to see it happen....but that is Life.
Learn from what happened if we can....and try to prevent it from happening again....at least then they were not lost without any good whatsoever coming from it.
