Bagram Crash 29 Apr 13 - Video Footage
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Don't see any problem with the video being posted here.
I think we should ease up on the poster.
Yes - horrific for the families and very, very sad.
Some additional context - Ch9 here in Oz reported the poor co-pilot had only just got married.
This accident is chilling to watch for anyone who's ever held a yoke, stick or control column.
But we are all pilots, or interested in flight, interested in safety and no doubt want to learn from these tragedies.
And precisely for that reason I make myself watch these sorts of things to continually remind myself that there are very serious consequences for making errors or overlooking the basics in aviation, no matter how big or small the aircraft - assuming that it is a load shift.
And I'm not blaming the crew for that either.
These videos can serve to teach and I don't think it's gratuitous to post them.
I can see an instructor saying to a room full of Cessna flying PPLs "You think weight and balance isn't important? Well watch this."
Flying is a serious business, demanding exacting attention to detail - ignore that detail and it WILL kill you.
Little Tartare is 11, mad keen on flight sims - determined to be a pilot - and he watched it last night.
We had a long discussion afterwards about weight and balance, centre of gravity, and what may have happened.
The Fairchild B52 crash is another I watch from time to time when I feel I'm getting a little complacent - although that was different, deliberate risk taking.
Don't get low, slow and steep airman, or the ground will rise up and smite thee...
I think we should ease up on the poster.
Yes - horrific for the families and very, very sad.
Some additional context - Ch9 here in Oz reported the poor co-pilot had only just got married.
This accident is chilling to watch for anyone who's ever held a yoke, stick or control column.
But we are all pilots, or interested in flight, interested in safety and no doubt want to learn from these tragedies.
And precisely for that reason I make myself watch these sorts of things to continually remind myself that there are very serious consequences for making errors or overlooking the basics in aviation, no matter how big or small the aircraft - assuming that it is a load shift.
And I'm not blaming the crew for that either.
These videos can serve to teach and I don't think it's gratuitous to post them.
I can see an instructor saying to a room full of Cessna flying PPLs "You think weight and balance isn't important? Well watch this."
Flying is a serious business, demanding exacting attention to detail - ignore that detail and it WILL kill you.
Little Tartare is 11, mad keen on flight sims - determined to be a pilot - and he watched it last night.
We had a long discussion afterwards about weight and balance, centre of gravity, and what may have happened.
The Fairchild B52 crash is another I watch from time to time when I feel I'm getting a little complacent - although that was different, deliberate risk taking.
Don't get low, slow and steep airman, or the ground will rise up and smite thee...
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Married two weeks ago, with a child due in October.
I immediately flashed back to the video of the USN C-2 Greyhound crash... BuNo 155120, of VRC-50. The cargo broke free and shifted aft during a catapult launch from USS Ranger CV-61 in the Gulf of Tonkin on 15 December 1970.
Among the 9 aboard were a CPO heading home for his retirement ceremony and a sailor heading to his father's funeral... all 9 perished.
The video is on youtube, just google "C-2 load shift crash".
I immediately flashed back to the video of the USN C-2 Greyhound crash... BuNo 155120, of VRC-50. The cargo broke free and shifted aft during a catapult launch from USS Ranger CV-61 in the Gulf of Tonkin on 15 December 1970.
Among the 9 aboard were a CPO heading home for his retirement ceremony and a sailor heading to his father's funeral... all 9 perished.
The video is on youtube, just google "C-2 load shift crash".
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Well....according to a National Air Cargo statement
National Air Cargo will not speculate as to the cause of the accident involving National Flight NCR102. With our full cooperation, an investigation by appropriate authorities is under way, and we encourage everyone to join us in respecting that process and allowing it to take its appropriate course.
Here are some facts regarding the aircraft and its movements prior to the accident:
Here are some facts regarding the aircraft and its movements prior to the accident:
- National Flight NCR102 was en route to Dubai from Camp Bastian and had stopped to refuel at Bagram Air Base.
- The cargo contained within the aircraft was properly loaded and secured, and had passed all necessary inspections prior to departing Camp Bastian.
- The aircraft landed safely and uneventfully in Bagram.
- No additional cargo or personnel was added during the stop in Bagram, and the aircraft's cargo was again inspected prior to departure.
Last edited by November4; 2nd May 2013 at 08:13.
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Quote:
National Air Cargo will not speculate as to the cause of the accident involving National Flight NCR102. With our full cooperation, an investigation by appropriate authorities is under way, and we encourage everyone to join us in respecting that process and allowing it to take its appropriate course.
Here are some facts regarding the aircraft and its movements prior to the accident:
1. Although it may have refueled there, Bagram is quite a long way in the opposite direction to Dubai from Bastion (Bastian). Why specify the need to refuel and that the previous sector was from Bastion?
2. It would be strange if the cargo was not properly secured and the paperwork not in order.
3. Previous landing was safe? No kidding!?
4. No cargo added. Was cargo removed?
A very strange statement, they say they want everyone to respect the process then, throw a raft of unproven "facts" into the fray.
Seems strange to me.
OAP
National Air Cargo will not speculate as to the cause of the accident involving National Flight NCR102. With our full cooperation, an investigation by appropriate authorities is under way, and we encourage everyone to join us in respecting that process and allowing it to take its appropriate course.
Here are some facts regarding the aircraft and its movements prior to the accident:
- National Flight NCR102 was en route to Dubai from Camp Bastian and had stopped to refuel at Bagram Air Base.
- The cargo contained within the aircraft was properly loaded and secured, and had passed all necessary inspections prior to departing Camp Bastian.
- The aircraft landed safely and uneventfully in Bagram.
- No additional cargo or personnel was added during the stop in Bagram, and the aircraft's cargo was again inspected prior to departure.
1. Although it may have refueled there, Bagram is quite a long way in the opposite direction to Dubai from Bastion (Bastian). Why specify the need to refuel and that the previous sector was from Bastion?
2. It would be strange if the cargo was not properly secured and the paperwork not in order.
3. Previous landing was safe? No kidding!?
4. No cargo added. Was cargo removed?
A very strange statement, they say they want everyone to respect the process then, throw a raft of unproven "facts" into the fray.
Seems strange to me.
OAP
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From: Liverpool based Geordie, so calm down, calm down kidda!!
All they are trying to say is that this exact load had previously flown safely. I think that is a fair comment to make when the world is questioning everything about this flight.
I don't see any problem in posting the video, you have a choice to press play or not. If it ever happens to me, feel free to speculate, guess or theorise about my accident or my shortcomings. Someone MIGHT just learn enough to save themselves.
I don't see any problem in posting the video, you have a choice to press play or not. If it ever happens to me, feel free to speculate, guess or theorise about my accident or my shortcomings. Someone MIGHT just learn enough to save themselves.
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Why the stop at Bagram? The runways at Bagram and Bastion are about the same length, so it is unlikely that their fuel upload was performance limited at Bastion, and so unlikely that they needed to stop at Bagram purely for refuelling. Given the statement above, did they therefore stop at Bagram to unload some cargo?
