Here it comes: Syria
Why is no one pushing for a ceasefire, a separation of combatants, and a UN Green Line?
A green line...where? There are pockets of fighting all around the country. Where would you draw this squiggly green line?
While Russia will stand up to the USA, indeed it is probably only supporting Assad because the USA is supporting the rebels
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This thing will be decided by those with some clout not the UK/US end of!
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Any action against Syria will also bring Iran and potentially Russia and China into the mix
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If by that you mean Russia and China, they do have the luxury of being able to do pretty much whatever they want internationally, without having to pay heed to what the folks back at home think.
Precisely
Precisely
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Tom:
If you can't tell the difference between an American hero and a British superhero then there is no hope for you... 
You really do not do yourself any credit SASless
Ronald,
Putin clutching at straws yet again. Sounds like he has been on the Alex Jones conspiracy website. What next? Will he be offering up the Britam Defence fake e-mails as fact?
Maybe he should have been tasking his intelligence services to monitor all sides in the conflict? After August 21st I bet he has now tasked his intelligence services to keep an eye on Assads and government comms?
Putin clutching at straws yet again. Sounds like he has been on the Alex Jones conspiracy website. What next? Will he be offering up the Britam Defence fake e-mails as fact?
Maybe he should have been tasking his intelligence services to monitor all sides in the conflict? After August 21st I bet he has now tasked his intelligence services to keep an eye on Assads and government comms?
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But thanks for the corrcetion, my apology to SASless
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Way to many, way too hard. We chase our tail. There are instances in recent history (last 100 years) where genocide, senseless killing etc, have occurred with significant debates and finger pointing in later years as to why this was this allowed to happen. Why did we stand back and allow the defenceless, women and children not only be killed but brutally so.
" All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
What a wonderful statement. Can someone define what evil is (one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter) and more importantly who the good men are?
" All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing".
What a wonderful statement. Can someone define what evil is (one man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter) and more importantly who the good men are?
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This thread is starting to sound like the script to the G-20 summit. Still trying to work out with one of you is Angela Merkel.
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TEEEJ, Putin is President of Russia, one of the most powerful nations on Earth with one of the finest intelligence agencies. What he says carries a great deal of weight with a great many people around the world. The same can be said of China.
dead_pan. Why are you so worried about Iran and it having nukes? If we are smart and don't keep causing them problems I think its highly unlikely they will simply attack us. Besides we have our own nuclear forces, enough to totally destroy them if they ever launched a nuclear strike against us. If they simply get nukes and use them to deter any foreign aggression against them then I see no problem. I don't lay awake at night worrying other nations will simply nuke us, though if we keep waging war across the region and make them hate us enough I guess anything is possible. If we actually worked with Iran, traded with them, treated them as we would any other nation then any attack by them upon anyone is unlikely.
As for Israel, well they can do what they wish, if they start something and bring Russia and China down on them so be it, I hope it does not happen. I would only ever give them military support if they were attacked in a large way to begin with, I would certainly wish to defend them then, but if they start it however then tough luck.
There is a good chance that with policies of continued intervention you could begin the war your trying to avoid!
dead_pan. Why are you so worried about Iran and it having nukes? If we are smart and don't keep causing them problems I think its highly unlikely they will simply attack us. Besides we have our own nuclear forces, enough to totally destroy them if they ever launched a nuclear strike against us. If they simply get nukes and use them to deter any foreign aggression against them then I see no problem. I don't lay awake at night worrying other nations will simply nuke us, though if we keep waging war across the region and make them hate us enough I guess anything is possible. If we actually worked with Iran, traded with them, treated them as we would any other nation then any attack by them upon anyone is unlikely.
As for Israel, well they can do what they wish, if they start something and bring Russia and China down on them so be it, I hope it does not happen. I would only ever give them military support if they were attacked in a large way to begin with, I would certainly wish to defend them then, but if they start it however then tough luck.
There is a good chance that with policies of continued intervention you could begin the war your trying to avoid!
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Thing is we have shown our hand like a bad poker player re Afgan/Iraq for zero achievement, the populace of the west have no confidence in their leaders and just don't want to know, like i say we are irrelevant, it will be leaders with clout that make the decisions not ours.
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Putin is just on a propaganda trip for the gullible. There is no way he believes the report himself.
Anyhow the most comprehensive and neutral description of the Ghouta attack is on Wikipedia: 2013 Ghouta attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Anyhow the most comprehensive and neutral description of the Ghouta attack is on Wikipedia: 2013 Ghouta attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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spooky3, I agree totally. Our leaders have made us totally irrelevant on the world stage it amazes me, some small nation with a tiny military strutting around as if we are still the British Empire. As time goes by expect us to have even less influence.
They want to keep doing interventions but have cut the military to something as tiny as it is today.
They want to keep doing interventions but have cut the military to something as tiny as it is today.