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Here it comes: Syria

Old 15th Apr 2018, 01:47
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Originally Posted by gums View Post
Bear in mind that the SA-6 shot down our F-117 in the Balkans.
It was an SA-3.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_Dani

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/250th_...issile_Brigade

Both manned aircraft losses (F-117 and F-16) over Yugoslavia during 1999 were by SA-3s.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 02:18
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Originally Posted by TEEEJ View Post
It was an SA-3.

Both manned aircraft losses (F-117 and F-16) over Yugoslavia during 1999 were by SA-3s.
And the F-16 allegedly shot down by the SA-3 was flown by the current USAF Chief of Staff.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 04:10
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I was unaware that a Mirage had a reverse gear.
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You will notice that US commanders and President Trump now list France before UK,
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 04:17
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 08:10
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
From what I could see from various online tracking sites, significant numbers of RAF MRTT tankers, Typhoons and other aircraft like the R1 Sentinel were active in theater at the time of the attack. It is surprising to me that they weren't mentioned in the initial MoD news release.
More details from this Airforces Monthly article:

Of the eight Royal Air Force No 31 Squadron Tornado GR4s deployed to RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus under Operation Shader, four were involved in the operation. The jets are home based at RAF Marham in Norfolk and are scheduled for retirement next year.

The Tornados were among nine RAF aircraft understood to have participated in the strikes on the chemical weapon facilities on April 14. Each Tornado launched a pair of Storm Shadow cruise missiles at the Him Sinshar chemical weapons storage site, a former Syrian Arab Army missile base, around 15 miles (24km) west of Homs. The coalition believed the site was used for storage of chemical weapons or materials for their manufacture.

The Tornados, which come under the command of 903 Expeditionary Air Wing at RAF Akrotiri, were escorted by four No 6 Squadron Typhoon FGR4s that conducted force combat air patrol (FORCAP) missions. Each Typhoon was armed with two AIM-132 Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (ASRAAMs) and two AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs). The Typhoons secured the airspace over the eastern Mediterranean Sea before, during and after the Tornados launched their Storm Shadows. Voyager KC2 ZZ343 was available for aerial refuelling to keep the Typhoons airborne for almost three hours between 0330hrs and 0630hrs local time.

It is understood that prior to the raid one of four Sentinel R1 Airborne Stand-Off Radar (ASTOR) aircraft of the RAF’s No 5 (Army Cooperation) Squadron was deployed to Akrotiri, arriving on April 12. Sentinel ZJ690 reportedly flew an intelligence-gathering mission in support of the operation. The images taken by its ASARS-2A sensor would have assisted identification of the Him Sinshar chemical weapons storage site and other targets destroyed by cruise missiles from allied forces. It is rumoured that ZJ690 was also used for battle damage assessment (BDA) after the strikes.
https://airforcesmonthly.keypublishi...o-back-at-war/

On the spook side, assets such as two Rivet Joints and a Combat Sent were in theater along with the usual VP and VQ P-8's and EP-3's. An RQ-4B drone out of Sigonella was on station for hours yesterday monitoring any reaction to the attacks:

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Old 15th Apr 2018, 08:30
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Maybe it's me but I haven't heard a single word on the radio or TV congratulating the pilots as to their bravery........................
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:19
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Heathrow Harry,

Than you obviously didn't listen to the Prime Ministers speech (On TV) following the raid when she did exactly that.

So I guess it's just you...
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 09:33
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Maybe it's me but I haven't heard a single word on the radio or TV congratulating the pilots as to their bravery........................
And WSOs.................
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 10:41
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So, here we go again, assuming the quote reflects an official press release?
Quote: "The Tornados , which come under the command of 903 Expeditionary Air Wing at RAF Akrotiri, were escorted by four No 6 Squadron Typhoon FGR4s that conducted force combat air patrol (FORCAP) missions. Each Typhoon was armed with two AIM-132 Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (ASRAAMs) and two AIM-120C-5 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs). The Typhoons secured the airspace over the eastern Mediterranean Sea before, during and after the Tornados launched their Storm Shadows".
Apparently then, the Typhoons "escorted" the Tornadoes, providing FORCAP. It also seems they "secured" the Eastern Med airspace. Very interesting. Does this mean that the 4 Typhoon were considered capable of "securing" the airspace in the face of the Russian assets in theatre or, just against the Syrian AD?

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Old 15th Apr 2018, 10:44
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Originally Posted by pr00ne View Post
Heathrow Harry,

Than you obviously didn't listen to the Prime Ministers speech (On TV) following the raid when she did exactly that.

So I guess it's just you...
She would say that wouldn't she................ She's not important and no one listens to her - even in Cabinet

It's the rest of the UK that I was thinking of..................... not a peep
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 10:54
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OAP,

I think you’re being a bit naive by expecting questions such as yours (‘can Typhoons operate in the face of S400?’) to be answered in the public domain. Generically, I would expect a CAP to have been placed to deter Syrian or Russian ac from making westbound excursions that might have threatened the Tornados at the easternmost point of their routes (which wouldn’t have been very far east in any case so the CAP could easily have been filling a ‘detached escort’ function overhead Akrotiri). This would also have deterred any potential threat to Akrotiri itself. While the Tornados would have been able to fly under the S400 radar horizon, that wouldn’t have been an option for an effective CAP. As such I don’t think we can infer anything about the Typhoon’s capability or tactics from the publicly-available information - exactly as it should be!
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 11:00
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Maybe it's me but I haven't heard a single word on the radio or TV congratulating the pilots as to their bravery........................
The new medja 'phrase du jour' is 'fire and forget'. They obviously feel plaudits for that sort of action are unnecessary...
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 11:36
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So the accounting for missile shoot-down seems to me to be:
Syrians say: 17 shot down
Russians say: 71 shot down
US says: 0 shot down

I wonder what the real figure is?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 11:59
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hoss183, back in Gulf War One (the honest one):

WASHINGTON — Navy and Marine Corps pilots launched more than 100 decoys in the first few days of last winter`s air war against Iraq, saturating enemy radar scopes with a confusing mass of blips and drawing anti-aircraft fire.

The glider decoys were launched by strike aircraft as they approached heavily defended areas deep inside Iraq. The deception allowed American jets to strike targets unmolested, according to military and industry officials.
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:21
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So did the Russians switch their S400s to 'standby' or was it done for them?
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 12:33
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Why fire at all? Maybe switch a couple of tracking radars on to see if they work but otherwise why give up the intelligence - and to save Assad a bit of local redevelopment.... would be silly
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:00
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Originally Posted by mmitch View Post
So did the Russians switch their S400s to 'standby' or was it done for them?
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With so many 'data sniffers' around they probably kept them switched off. Not much to gain but a lot to lose. (Gaining wavelength and scan patterns of the S-400 would be invaluable and far exceed the value of the damage done to some Syrian Brick Houses- I would dare to say that knowing that an S-400 is stationed there is probably the extra price and a good additional motivation for executing and announcing the strike)
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:15
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Originally Posted by mmitch View Post
So did the Russians switch their S400s to 'standby' or was it done for them?
mmitch.
I suspect the behind the scenes diplomacy to avoid WW3 was: 'We wont target any Russian bases or assets, leave us alone and we will do likewise'
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Old 15th Apr 2018, 13:29
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Yup, General Goldfein’s ‘triple nickle’ F-16CG sits in Belgrade aircraft museum afterbeing schwacked by a SA-3. Thankfully he was picked up almost immediately by CSAR under significant gunfire. The good General allegedly buys the pilots and PJs a good bottle of malt each year

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Old 15th Apr 2018, 14:06
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Originally Posted by Airbubba View Post
And the F-16 allegedly shot down by the SA-3 was flown by the current USAF Chief of Staff.
Nope Captain Scott O'Grady left active duty into the AFRC not too long after his service at Aviano and continued to fly in the AFRC.

Subsequently I read he went into politics.

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