The blessed Margaret ..
I am right with you, Smudge, apart from one thng. Your statement,
Wrong! You have as much right, if not more, than I to post here, hence my line in Post #124
Shorthand for the subtitle of this forum.
I think your point is well made. Thank you.
(please excuse my non aircrew status)
Military aircrew and associated personnel forum.
I think your point is well made. Thank you.
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I shall be in London next Wednesday to pay my respects to a great Briton. Should any of you wish to join me in raising a glass to Maggie's memory, drop me a PM and we'll make arrangements. The UJ Club would seem to be an appropriate choice of venue, perhaps?
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I've not read through all of this thread but having scanned it I can find no reference to the query I have. We all seem to accept that MT polarised opinion in this country so should serving personnel be allowed to volunteer for route lining or should they be able to opt out? My personal view is that I would never stand in tribute to the woman but that is my view and I fully accept that other eroneous views are equally valid.
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This is the sh1t I have had to put up with from a former friend from my teens.
The UK is full of this bed wetting leftie mentality:--
Ex friend
"Well the so-called winter of discontent was largely an invention of the right-wing press."
Ex friend
"And I don't think James Callaghan ever actally said "Crisis, what crisis". Strong leadership- you mean like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini? No she doesnt look better on reflection. If she does it's because your a Tory, both your parents were, so it would be no surpise if you were one as well. Maybe you'd say conservative with a small "c", but you're just as bad in my view. The only thing to make evil succeed is for good men to nothing."
Me
You are talking out of your arse big time ! My Dad was an almost life long labour supporter. He fought with the black shirts in the 1930's. He had to put up with idiots like Lou Lewis when the c@*nt secondary picketed his site at the Barbican. You always had an unsophisticated view of politics. Bringing my parents into the conversation shows your total lack of class and respect. Just like the rest of your ignorant comments.
A former friend on facebook, whom I grew up with.My parents treated him with friendship and respect.
There is a generation in the UK, you really don't want to know about.
The fact that they can make comments about dancing on Maggie's grave, makes me sick. The fact that there are references to my parents.Is inappropriate and unforgiveable.
I really believe that many are unaware of what is happening.
My Dad chased the Nazis in a tank in Greece.
Yet now, this reference, is unacceptable.
When someone you grew up with has had their head turned like this.
And looting in Brixton to celebrate Maggie's passing.
Great Britain, we have a problem !
The UK is full of this bed wetting leftie mentality:--
Ex friend
"Well the so-called winter of discontent was largely an invention of the right-wing press."
Ex friend
"And I don't think James Callaghan ever actally said "Crisis, what crisis". Strong leadership- you mean like Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini? No she doesnt look better on reflection. If she does it's because your a Tory, both your parents were, so it would be no surpise if you were one as well. Maybe you'd say conservative with a small "c", but you're just as bad in my view. The only thing to make evil succeed is for good men to nothing."
Me
You are talking out of your arse big time ! My Dad was an almost life long labour supporter. He fought with the black shirts in the 1930's. He had to put up with idiots like Lou Lewis when the c@*nt secondary picketed his site at the Barbican. You always had an unsophisticated view of politics. Bringing my parents into the conversation shows your total lack of class and respect. Just like the rest of your ignorant comments.
A former friend on facebook, whom I grew up with.My parents treated him with friendship and respect.
There is a generation in the UK, you really don't want to know about.
The fact that they can make comments about dancing on Maggie's grave, makes me sick. The fact that there are references to my parents.Is inappropriate and unforgiveable.
I really believe that many are unaware of what is happening.
My Dad chased the Nazis in a tank in Greece.
Yet now, this reference, is unacceptable.
When someone you grew up with has had their head turned like this.
And looting in Brixton to celebrate Maggie's passing.
Great Britain, we have a problem !
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I'd be tempted to inform him that, "We were once friends. However, it would seem that I do not live in the gutter in which you now find yourself. Farewell one time friend."
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Sisemen,
I have known him since I was 13 years old.
To lecture me and put me down, because I would not agree with trashing Lady T. Is a bit scary.
As I said, there are people out there who will sell us down the road.
I have known him since I was 13 years old.
To lecture me and put me down, because I would not agree with trashing Lady T. Is a bit scary.
As I said, there are people out there who will sell us down the road.
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It is very easy to forget the near-crisis that gripped Britain in the years preceding Thatcher assuming power. But as a junior officer at RAF Benson I remember it well, and I remember other junior officers who worked on local pig farms to make ends meet.
My wife was one of hundreds of military wives who boarded a fleet of buses and went down Whitehall to the houses of parliament to protest the abysmal state of the armed forces.
The economy sagged under the weight of rampant inflation and broad unemployment. During the winter of 1978-79, just before the Tories swept to power, strikes rippled across the public sector – the infamous British “Winter of Discontent” – *in response to a labour government wage cap.
This was the deeply divided Britain that Thatcher and her Conservative Party took control of in May 1979 – beleaguered and world-weary, the patience of the people with the labour government was tanking, and the economy was about bust.
Two weeks’ worth of uncollected garbage was the most visible sign of the labor discontent that gripped strike-weary Britain that winter. With hundreds of schools closed, regular electricity blackouts, more than a thousand hospitals reduced to emergency operations only, dead bodies laying in hospital beds because of strikes, and wage demands spreading on numerous fronts, the hard-pressed Labour government, with traditionally close ties to the unions, was facing an increasingly embittered public.
The strikes were just the last spasm of the economic malaise of 1970s Britain, which featured high unemployment and double-digit inflation. Inflation averaged around 13 percent throughout the ‘70s, peaking at 25 percent.
Thatcher put an end to all the above and saved the country, God bless her! Only the socialist/communist left-wing nut cases had an axe to grind because she curtailed the unions that were killing the country and implemented a free market economy.
Bob C
My wife was one of hundreds of military wives who boarded a fleet of buses and went down Whitehall to the houses of parliament to protest the abysmal state of the armed forces.
The economy sagged under the weight of rampant inflation and broad unemployment. During the winter of 1978-79, just before the Tories swept to power, strikes rippled across the public sector – the infamous British “Winter of Discontent” – *in response to a labour government wage cap.
This was the deeply divided Britain that Thatcher and her Conservative Party took control of in May 1979 – beleaguered and world-weary, the patience of the people with the labour government was tanking, and the economy was about bust.
Two weeks’ worth of uncollected garbage was the most visible sign of the labor discontent that gripped strike-weary Britain that winter. With hundreds of schools closed, regular electricity blackouts, more than a thousand hospitals reduced to emergency operations only, dead bodies laying in hospital beds because of strikes, and wage demands spreading on numerous fronts, the hard-pressed Labour government, with traditionally close ties to the unions, was facing an increasingly embittered public.
The strikes were just the last spasm of the economic malaise of 1970s Britain, which featured high unemployment and double-digit inflation. Inflation averaged around 13 percent throughout the ‘70s, peaking at 25 percent.
Thatcher put an end to all the above and saved the country, God bless her! Only the socialist/communist left-wing nut cases had an axe to grind because she curtailed the unions that were killing the country and implemented a free market economy.
Bob C
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My work took me to San Francisco/Marin County in 1978. I was intending to remain in the USA and to avoid returning to the Scargill/Jones union stranglehold then in virtual control.
Inflation was out of control too. Bleak Britain was no figment of imagination. Then.....
The Maggie won the election.
The Iron Lady may have had her faults [who doesn't] but she [and her team] got us back on track.
The weakness of the Labour government, KGB Agent Jack Jones and Communist Party member Arthur Scargill were responsible for the need to subdue the out of control Union domination.
They duped the miners/shipbuilders/engineers, not The Iron Lady.
Inflation was out of control too. Bleak Britain was no figment of imagination. Then.....
The Maggie won the election.
The Iron Lady may have had her faults [who doesn't] but she [and her team] got us back on track.
The weakness of the Labour government, KGB Agent Jack Jones and Communist Party member Arthur Scargill were responsible for the need to subdue the out of control Union domination.
They duped the miners/shipbuilders/engineers, not The Iron Lady.
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RIP Lady T; fond memories of her coming into office in 1979 & the subsequent elevation of HM Forces pay and conditions, which were truly dire in the mid-1970's.
Her formidable leadership during the Falkland's war was, and still is, inspirational (notwithstanding sundry policy errors which fuelled Argentina's ambitions).
As for her other actions/achievements in British society, it was mostly necessary to extract the country from the socialist mire which she inherited.
On the international stage, she was a major factor in orchestrating the final act in the long-running Cold War saga; also, her fears & predictions over the growth of a federal Europe can now be seen to be entirely accurate.
How typical of this provincial grocer's daughter to eschew a fly-past on economic grounds; kitchen table economics again!
I would dearly love to see a Spitfire & Hurricane pair overfly her cortege - surely this woman embodied all that these fine aircraft, and their history, portray.
We will not see her like again - Ad Astra, Lady T.
HB
Her formidable leadership during the Falkland's war was, and still is, inspirational (notwithstanding sundry policy errors which fuelled Argentina's ambitions).
As for her other actions/achievements in British society, it was mostly necessary to extract the country from the socialist mire which she inherited.
On the international stage, she was a major factor in orchestrating the final act in the long-running Cold War saga; also, her fears & predictions over the growth of a federal Europe can now be seen to be entirely accurate.
How typical of this provincial grocer's daughter to eschew a fly-past on economic grounds; kitchen table economics again!
I would dearly love to see a Spitfire & Hurricane pair overfly her cortege - surely this woman embodied all that these fine aircraft, and their history, portray.
We will not see her like again - Ad Astra, Lady T.
HB
I would dearly love to see a Spitfire & Hurricane pair overfly her cortege
Although I can't stand the current Tory bunch, Mrs T was in a rather different league. No wonder they look up at her, for they will never come anywhere near her greatness.
Ironically the nearest imitator she had was teflon tone!
Forget the Spit and Hurricane. What I would like to see is the last Vulcan do a flypast, and if they can find a spare 1000lb bomb, drop it on One Brewers Green.
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Armed Forces' role in the funeral of Lady Thatcher ... just released by the MOD.
Armed Forces : Lady Thatcher Funeral
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Armed Forces : Lady Thatcher Funeral
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PergrineW I will be working, but please pay some respects on my behalf too.
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Two figures I recall - although not of personal interest at the time.
Maggie (Gawd bless 'er) comes to power: Top rate of Income Tax 83p in the £.
Maggie leaves office: Top rate of Income Tax 40p in the £.
Discuss.
What really gets me is the number of young people (ie not even born in her time in power) who are joyously celebrating the death of a frail 88 year old lady.
Who has been poisoning their minds (literally) all their lives ......
Maggie (Gawd bless 'er) comes to power: Top rate of Income Tax 83p in the £.
Maggie leaves office: Top rate of Income Tax 40p in the £.
Discuss.
What really gets me is the number of young people (ie not even born in her time in power) who are joyously celebrating the death of a frail 88 year old lady.
Who has been poisoning their minds (literally) all their lives ......