98.8% Falkland Islanders vote to stay British
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That is indeed an interesting article, Biggus and it raises a number of issues.
Speaking as someone who is responsible for a number of young adults in a professional capacity, I believe they are entitled to their right to voice an opinion.
Do they have enough experience or information to make an informed choice or would they just vote as their parents did?
We could say the same thing about 20, 30...40 year olds.
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Speaking as someone who is responsible for a number of young adults in a professional capacity, I believe they are entitled to their right to voice an opinion.
Do they have enough experience or information to make an informed choice or would they just vote as their parents did?
We could say the same thing about 20, 30...40 year olds.
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I'm not saying that 16 yr olds should or shouldn't be able to vote. My only point is that when people say things like "16 yr olds are old enough to marry, serve in HM Forces....so they should be able to ????? as well....", it really isn't as simple as that.
As this article points out, to join the Army at 16 you need your parents permission, you won't be sent to a war zone until you are over 18, etc. In the same way you need parental consent in England and Wales to marry at 16, .... well the article explains it better than I can. The point is, there seems to be a transitional period between 16 and 18, where you can start to do certain things but often still have various forms of legal protection in the meantime. It's a grey area, a bit less black and white as some people commenting on here seem to imply.
As this article points out, to join the Army at 16 you need your parents permission, you won't be sent to a war zone until you are over 18, etc. In the same way you need parental consent in England and Wales to marry at 16, .... well the article explains it better than I can. The point is, there seems to be a transitional period between 16 and 18, where you can start to do certain things but often still have various forms of legal protection in the meantime. It's a grey area, a bit less black and white as some people commenting on here seem to imply.
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I'm not saying that 16 yr olds should or shouldn't be able to vote. My only point is that when people say things like "16 yr olds are old enough to marry, serve in HM Forces....so they should be able to ????? as well....", it really isn't as simple as that.
As this article points out, to join the Army at 16 you need your parents permission, you won't be sent to a war zone until you are over 18, etc. In the same way you need parental consent in England and Wales to marry at 16, .... well the article explains it better than I can. The point is, there seems to be a transitional period between 16 and 18, where you can start to do certain things but often still have various forms of legal protection in the meantime. It's a grey area, a bit less black and white as some people commenting on here seem to imply.
As this article points out, to join the Army at 16 you need your parents permission, you won't be sent to a war zone until you are over 18, etc. In the same way you need parental consent in England and Wales to marry at 16, .... well the article explains it better than I can. The point is, there seems to be a transitional period between 16 and 18, where you can start to do certain things but often still have various forms of legal protection in the meantime. It's a grey area, a bit less black and white as some people commenting on here seem to imply.
As for your hesitance in making comment re specious and bigoted remarks, then I share your concerns wholeheartedly. Take a wander through this and the Scottish Air Force thread and note occurrences of pejorative comments re "jockistan" "wee eck" “congenital mercenaries” , “Whingers of the North”, “Go and toss your cabers has been my attitude ever since” etc etc. Since entering teaching some 7 years ago I was struck and remain so by the tolerance I find amongst our young people towards each other. They are not as afraid of difference as past generations have been (including us) , indeed they celebrate it. Should they have a place in shaping the adult world which they are about to live - I think so and I think it will be the better for it.
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Since entering teaching some 7 years ago I was struck and remain so by the tolerance I find amongst our young people towards each other. They are not as afraid of difference as past generations have been (including us) , indeed they celebrate it.
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So now there is an Argentinian pope who supports the Argentinian view on the Falklands, will he be trying to make it an act of faith for 1.2 billion catholics
Indeed, TTN, he won't.
Originally Posted by guardian.co.uk, Thursday 14 March 2013
Victor Bulmer-Thomas, an associate fellow at Chatham House, said that Fernández would no doubt try to use Francis's previous statements as propaganda but it was unlikely he would enter the debate. "Of course, Argentina will refer to the fact that he made these statements," said Bulmer-Thomas. "It's nice for them but I can't see it having any impact beyond that."
He added: "I imagine he would avoid it like the plague. As a good Argentinian, it was perfectly natural for him to support the position that most Argentinians take, but he's not representing Argentinians now but all Catholics ... You look at the list of things this poor man has to deal with and the Falklands has got to be way down."
Papal historian Michael Walsh echoed Bulmer-Thomas's comments, saying: "He's very unlikely to say anything that would upset one side rather than the other, although I can't help feeling it might be a long time before he gets an invitation to Britain."
He added: "I imagine he would avoid it like the plague. As a good Argentinian, it was perfectly natural for him to support the position that most Argentinians take, but he's not representing Argentinians now but all Catholics ... You look at the list of things this poor man has to deal with and the Falklands has got to be way down."
Papal historian Michael Walsh echoed Bulmer-Thomas's comments, saying: "He's very unlikely to say anything that would upset one side rather than the other, although I can't help feeling it might be a long time before he gets an invitation to Britain."
