98.8% Falkland Islanders vote to stay British
Apparently the Falklands are a "self governing autonomous overseas territory with the UK responsible for defence and foreign affairs." So basically the UK is being used by the Falklanders to protect themselves from the Argentinians and thats about it. Forget all that "sovereignty" rhetoric, i suspect that when the oil is finally flowing the UK will see precious little of the revenue and the islanders will be over here acting like the new Qataris...
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If you are aged 70 and sharp as a needle you still can no longer drive a minibus or do jury service. A snotty nosed illiterate 16 year old soon will though.
You lot must have some really orrible kids/grandkids.
They're a lovely bunch round ere. Let em vote I say.
I blame the parents/grandparents.
They're a lovely bunch round ere. Let em vote I say.
I blame the parents/grandparents.
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76 years old, wonder how long he will last..
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Curious use of such pejorative term - can only mean that what will follow will be an unbiased, informed comment
I feel sorry for you that you consider our young people to be in such a paralous state that despite being able to marry, pay tax and serve in HM forces (as pointed out) that you consider they are not fit to take part in the democratic processes that will shape their future lives. The consequences of the referendum will have greater impact on their lives than it will their parents, you or I - let them have their say. The likelihood of teenagers coming out to vote in such numbers as to influence the vote does not stack up as has been reflected upon by informed political commentators. Your Daily Mail may be useful for the crossword and lighting the woodburner but little else.
As for claims of gerrymandering (not yours) - then why not, it is after all in the finest traditions of independence referrenda as employed by the national government in the 1979 referendum. The 40 % franchise threshold was never sought for westminster elections - shame that. So come, on stop being grumpy of Bedfordshire, give the bairns more credit - put aside the little Englander and the xenophobic bile and stop commenting on things of which you have no knowledge.
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turns out he has his own skeletons in that particular cupboard.
Guardian going to town on it now, and its not pretty - taking 'giving unto Ceasar' a bit far...
turns out he has his own skeletons in that particular cupboard.
Guardian going to town on it now, and its not pretty - taking 'giving unto Ceasar' a bit far...
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Ref Post #33, I think the question should be why aren't ALL 16 & 17 yr olds in the whole of the UK permitted to vote? They pay taxes, can be married, join up etc etc.
And here's a question. If the majority vote in Scotland in Oct 2014 is in favour of entering into negotiations to withdraw from Great Britain, will all posters on this thread be so effusive in their commendation of democracy? Scots aren't stupid and if the vote does go the way of Independence it will be because it is the settled will of the Scottish people, just as it is now demonstrably the settled will of the Falkland Islanders to remain an overseas UK territory. What's the problem with that?
And here's a question. If the majority vote in Scotland in Oct 2014 is in favour of entering into negotiations to withdraw from Great Britain, will all posters on this thread be so effusive in their commendation of democracy? Scots aren't stupid and if the vote does go the way of Independence it will be because it is the settled will of the Scottish people, just as it is now demonstrably the settled will of the Falkland Islanders to remain an overseas UK territory. What's the problem with that?
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That's all I could find !
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this was on the Grinaud earlier - same story, more meat
this was on the Grinaud earlier - same story, more meat
The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.
According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.
Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.
"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said
According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.
Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.
"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said
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this was on the Grinaud earlier - same story, more meat
this was on the Grinaud earlier - same story, more meat
The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.
According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.
Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.
"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said
According to "The Silence," a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order's protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.
Verbitsky's book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.
"History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military," Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said
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I'll reserve comment suffice to say sometimes you have to shake hands with the devil before you kick the **** out of him
I'm reluctant to post this on here, for fear of starting another outburst of rabid comments, but, in terms of the discussion on 16-17 year olds voting in the Scottish independence referendum, here's an interesting article on the 16/18 differences debate:
BBC News - The strange status of 16-year-olds
BBC News - The strange status of 16-year-olds
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