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Old 21st Jul 2014, 17:17
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Is Rivet Joint classified as an "Historic Aircraft" by MoD? One of the criteria for such a designation is (or used to be, circa 2002) "incomplete design or testing information, or when maintenance records are missing"; which would seem to apply.
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Old 21st Jul 2014, 18:33
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Rivet Joint was not cleared to taxi via the southern loop at Waddo because of potential FOD issues - the engines sit slightly lower than an E-3 and the risk of ingestion on Echo dispersal was deemed too great, hence the shutdown and tow at the end of the runway.
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It would appear that RJ has started work.



http://news.sky.com/story/1319633/uk...ance-operation
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 08:02
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Perhaps someone will query why the RAF cannot refuel its own RC-135s?

Certainly some of the Voyagers still to be delivered should be boom-equipped - so that the UK could support its own C-17s and RC-135s?
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Plus the Poseidon P-8 if the UK ever gets back into the MPA game?
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Airworthiness/certification rears it's head again...

UK launches new Rivet Joint flight test programme - IHS Jane's 360

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New Tanker?

Interesting, the article quotes Air to Air refueling by the UK KC135, have I missed something?
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Old 14th Sep 2014, 14:35
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Interesting, the article quotes Air to Air refueling by the UK KC135, have I missed something?
Presumably the third KC-135 airframe before it enters the conversion programme
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Old 21st Sep 2014, 03:59
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Was the Whistleblowing Yanky correct at POST #504?

Airworthiness/certification rears it's head again...
UK launches new Rivet Joint flight test programme - IHS Jane's 360

(EXCERPT from Chapter 21)
I intended to post the remaining sixty-three pages of my Congressional disclosure to this chapter, but the remaining sixty-three pages contain aircraft technical data protected by either the Export Administrations Act of 1979 (Title 50) or the Arms Export Control Act (Title 22). Absent this technical data, the remaining sixty-three pages would inaccurately reflect the other substantiated aircraft maintenance problems of the 55th Wing [RC-135s].”

It is possible that the MAA petitioned the U.S. Congress for the remaining sixty-three pages of the whistleblowers' 2008 disclosure. The USAF utilizes a computer based aircraft maintenance data collection system named “CAMS” an acronym for "Consolidated Aircraft Maintenance System". The maintenance history of every RC-135, as well as the maintenance history of 64-14827, 64-14828, and 64-14829 is accessible through CAMS. CAMS is a useful instrument to those who know how to use it properly. Research of Work Unit Code (WUC) 42210 could be interesting.
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AQ I think the author refers to UK-based USAF KC 135s. Not even the RAF would take the ac from the desert and make it back into a tanker and then convert it again, still you never know!
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Old 21st Sep 2014, 13:19
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Alternatively why would the USAF take a UK-based frontline KC-135 and instrument it and then de-instrument it rather than use a KC already destined to be gutted and modified at the same location that is undertaking all the trials and instrumentation activity?

Still, knowing the procurement world anything could happen but the KCs destined for RJ conversion are not from the desert, they have come directly from the in-use USAF tanker fleet.
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42210 - DC POWER DISTRIBUTION. ?
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Originally Posted by vascodegama
AQ I think the author refers to UK-based USAF KC 135s. Not even the RAF would take the ac from the desert and make it back into a tanker and then convert it again, still you never know!
Where do people get the idea that the RAF RC-135s are being pulled out the boneyard in the desert (other than the tabloid press)?

They are the youngest KCs in the USAF inventory, and have been in service as tankers until they went into the conversion scheme - one was used in ops in Lybya, and the last is still in service, and visited the UK in company with the B2s in June:

Photos: Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker (717-148) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

and in February

Photos: Boeing KC-135R Stratotanker (717-148) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net
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UK KC135

Thank you Vasco, that makes sense. Unambiguous prose like wot I was taught can make all the difference. Boring to read sometimes, but essential always.
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42210 - DC POWER DISTRIBUTION. ?

Lordflasheart – I have erred. The WUC should have read 41000. The CAMS record on a particular controversial WCE is wrong and got past my scrutiny. I guess that’s mud on myface. Thanks for the fact check. Perhaps CAMS is not at all reliable and the MAA is correct in demanding some aspects of the aircraft’s flight envelope to be validated.
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Old 24th Sep 2014, 11:29
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Thank you cpants.

WUC 41000 - PRESSURIZATION AND SURFACE ICE CONTROL, A/C

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 02:30
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OK Walter Kitty!
Why can't you fantasisers get your own forum.
This one is for pilots thanks very much
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 07:22
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"This one is for pilots thanks very much"


Implying pilots only. But is that actually the case?

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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 09:36
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"This one is for pilots thanks very much"

Oh dear
From your majestic, inward looking position as an all powerful God, just be aware that like a pyramid, the glittering capstone is built upon a solid support structure, the likes of which, if not there, would leave the capstone fully suspended on solid ground....
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Old 2nd Nov 2014, 10:41
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This thread is a perfect distillation of Pprune:

Conspiracy theorists
Holier-than-thou know-alls
Pedants who can't read between the lines and have to take every written word as gospel.

What fun!

Oh, and they all add up to the dictionary definition of 'the vocal minority'.
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