Red Arrows - Flt Lt Jon Egging Inquest
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Red Arrows - Flt Lt Jon Egging Inquest
The Daily Echo are reporting live proceedings from Bournemouth Coroner's Court on the inquest into the death of Flt Lt Jon Egging. Link.
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Following the loss of Red 4 at BOH, the inquest has been told there was no evidence of mech failure and the probable cause was Jon Egging's loss of consciousness during the final break to land.
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Fantom/Duncs, I was replying to a couple of now-deleted threads.
Maybe it was just me being oversensitive, but Eggman was a good wingman and a great friend to me. I'll go back and delete my flash
Maybe it was just me being oversensitive, but Eggman was a good wingman and a great friend to me. I'll go back and delete my flash
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Desperately sad events. My heart goes out family, friends and my heart goes out to the team.
Keep doing what you do so well, it thrills me every time I see it.
The inquest must have been very hard for everyone. C L-S, much respect for holding it together during the hearing.
RIP Egg-man, RIP Sean
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Keep doing what you do so well, it thrills me every time I see it.
The inquest must have been very hard for everyone. C L-S, much respect for holding it together during the hearing.
RIP Egg-man, RIP Sean
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Just seen the BBC item. Is there a plausible explanation out there as to how one would experience G-LOC in a break to land, versus an aerobatic display?
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Your G tolerance will decrease with fatigue and as you dehydrate. It will also be affected by G onset rate, exposure time and the position of your head - it's possible to disturb or even close the carotid blood vessels looking over your shoulder for example. Whether or not you grey-out partially or completely will also be affected by how effective your Anti-G Straining Manoeuvre is and how timely it was.
So - not on the board and no idea what happened other than we lost a great bloke. But yes, it is more than plausible that one could A-LOC or G-LOC in a break to land having not been unduly affected by G during an aerobatic display.
RIP Egg man old chap.
So - not on the board and no idea what happened other than we lost a great bloke. But yes, it is more than plausible that one could A-LOC or G-LOC in a break to land having not been unduly affected by G during an aerobatic display.
RIP Egg man old chap.
The BBC report quotes 6.3G on the break. This would probably have been the highest G pulled during the sortie: Reds 1 to 5 fly a relatively benign G profile, at least by comparison to Reds 6 to 9. 6.3G is easily enough to cause some loss of consciousness if other aggravating factors are present.
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I'm sorry to drag this thread down but....
looking at the link to the Daily Echo site, I cannot but help feel theres something fundamentally wrong in publishing a minute by minute account of the Coroners Court like that.
It just feels intrinsically disrespectful to me: its turning a serious issue, the investigation into a mans death, into a media circus masquerading as a public entertainment charade.
I've nothing against the facts being presented, but is a minute by minute "hot press" style of reporting appropriate to a case like this? I don't think so.
I have to say I don't know any of the people involved so I hope I'm not treading on any sensitivities, but to me the method of reporting, from the point of simple common decency, seems basically unsavoury.
looking at the link to the Daily Echo site, I cannot but help feel theres something fundamentally wrong in publishing a minute by minute account of the Coroners Court like that.
It just feels intrinsically disrespectful to me: its turning a serious issue, the investigation into a mans death, into a media circus masquerading as a public entertainment charade.
I've nothing against the facts being presented, but is a minute by minute "hot press" style of reporting appropriate to a case like this? I don't think so.
I have to say I don't know any of the people involved so I hope I'm not treading on any sensitivities, but to me the method of reporting, from the point of simple common decency, seems basically unsavoury.
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Agreed as well.
For me, he lost consciousness is good enough for the general media.
The rest can be covered by the BOI and any changes required
implemented by the service involved.
Agreed as well.
For me, he lost consciousness is good enough for the general media.
The rest can be covered by the BOI and any changes required
implemented by the service involved.
Well luckily we live in a democracy, so information regarding our military services is in the public domain, except where there are clear operational reasons for it to be kept secret. This was not the case here, so the public have every right to know why one of the aircraft they pay for has crashed.
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The BBC report quotes 6.3G on the break.
BOAC?
Milo,
Very well put sir. I agree with you completely and I suspect 99% of the readers of this post do so too.
Trim Stab,
I doubt you will find anyone on here who disagrees with the public having the right to know. It is how the information is being conveyed that's the problem. Turning the whole thing into 'public entertainment' is indeed unsavoury, indecent and lacking in respect. I would say that about any individual in similar circumstances too and not just because it is a fellow officer.
Very well put sir. I agree with you completely and I suspect 99% of the readers of this post do so too.
Trim Stab,
I doubt you will find anyone on here who disagrees with the public having the right to know. It is how the information is being conveyed that's the problem. Turning the whole thing into 'public entertainment' is indeed unsavoury, indecent and lacking in respect. I would say that about any individual in similar circumstances too and not just because it is a fellow officer.
