Sgt Nightingale
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Parabellum - that was a very long time ago, definitely pre-late 70's. As someone else mentioned earlier, when completing weapons related activities a suitable declaration is required. Don't know if it's changed much but "I have no live rounds or empty cases on my possession, Sir" used to cover it. That was after the warning that "...you are reminded that it is a Courts Martial offence to leave the range/trg area/theatre while in possession of any live rounds or empty cases. Should you subsequently find any after the declaration you should contact xxxx immediately". That was used every single time I used weapons and ammunition without exception. Not much gray area there.
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Two's in - agreed, a long time ago and we had to make the ammunition declaration everytime too when shooting as a unit, but in the team all ammo was handed to OIC the team and he kept it locked in his car!
airpolice - Grow up and don't be so rude, shame really, most of your posts have made sense, up until now.
airpolice - Grow up and don't be so rude, shame really, most of your posts have made sense, up until now.
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The point is, that it's of no matter what the law was way back then.
During World War II, German families living in the UK were locked up, for being German. Just because it was the law then is not a case for allowing it to continue now.
Sgt. Nightingale has clearly, even by his own mitigation plea in the CM, broken the law (as it is today) and chose to plead guilty to doing so.
During World War II, German families living in the UK were locked up, for being German. Just because it was the law then is not a case for allowing it to continue now.
Sgt. Nightingale has clearly, even by his own mitigation plea in the CM, broken the law (as it is today) and chose to plead guilty to doing so.
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The huts were 'secured' with unlocked doors near the back gate which may have had a barrier but if it did it was never shut.
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Clearly DN is one of our country's finest, however the defence in this case of suffering from a brain injury, IMHO wasn't the best line to pursue!
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"When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now, the siren sounds first in the hearts of freedom's vanguard. The smoke in the air of our Concord bridges and Pearl Harbors is always smelled first by the farmers, who come from their simple homes to find the fire, and fight, because they know that sacred stuff resides in that wooden stock and blued steel -- something that gives the most common man the most uncommon of freedoms.
"When ordinary hands can possess such an extraordinary instrument, that symbolizes the full measure of human dignity and liberty. That's why those five words issue an irresistible call to us all, and we muster. So -- so, as, ah, we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed -- and especially for you, Mister Gore: From my cold dead hands!"
"When freedom shivers in the cold shadow of true peril, it's always the patriots who first hear the call.
"When loss of liberty is looming, as it is now, the siren sounds first in the hearts of freedom's vanguard. The smoke in the air of our Concord bridges and Pearl Harbors is always smelled first by the farmers, who come from their simple homes to find the fire, and fight, because they know that sacred stuff resides in that wooden stock and blued steel -- something that gives the most common man the most uncommon of freedoms.
"When ordinary hands can possess such an extraordinary instrument, that symbolizes the full measure of human dignity and liberty. That's why those five words issue an irresistible call to us all, and we muster. So -- so, as, ah, we set out this year to defeat the divisive forces that would take freedom away, I want to say those fighting words for everyone within the sound of my voice to hear and to heed -- and especially for you, Mister Gore: From my cold dead hands!"
Clearly DN is one of our country's finest, however the defence in this case of suffering from a brain injury, IMHO wasn't the best line to pursue!
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As for the people that I hear telling me they support him, or otherwise, I
know if they are ex mil or not. I'm discounting the talking heads on TV, just
referring to the people I actually come into contact with.
know if they are ex mil or not. I'm discounting the talking heads on TV, just
referring to the people I actually come into contact with.
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Sgt. Nightingale has clearly, even by his own mitigation plea in the CM,
broken the law (as it is today) and chose to plead guilty to doing so.
broken the law (as it is today) and chose to plead guilty to doing so.
(As the near full skip of surrendered weapons would suggest).
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So, with Sgt Nightingale's conviction being quashed does that mean Armed Forces personnel no longer require a FAC for weapons hidden in their SFA? Sweet, that'll save me some paperwork.....
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According to the BBC the conviction was overturned Sgt Nightingale will now
face a retrial. Let us hope for his sake that he is not then sentenced to 5
years.
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How can he stay in the army, I thought he coughed up to being mentally ill. Who's gonna sign him off for weapons now?
Used to have thing in the 5000 (prob still do) which had to be signed off
I know of know reason why this dude cannot aviate..or words to that effect.
I had bloke with a history of wife abuse...SHQ refused to do squat, so I refused to sign his 5000. I was ordered to sign...I told them to **** off. He never flew again on my watch.
Used to have thing in the 5000 (prob still do) which had to be signed off
I know of know reason why this dude cannot aviate..or words to that effect.
I had bloke with a history of wife abuse...SHQ refused to do squat, so I refused to sign his 5000. I was ordered to sign...I told them to **** off. He never flew again on my watch.
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As I predicted in post 7 - he has been PNGd.
Danny Nightingale is banned from SAS HQ after he broke code of silence | The Sun
Danny Nightingale is banned from SAS HQ after he broke code of silence | The Sun
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Predictable
If you go back through the posts on this subject you will see a number of posters who "warned" that this issue should be left alone. At that time, he had not beed discharged from the Army, despite the result of the CM. In their rush to stand up for Sgt Nightingale, the British press (some of it at least) and the people that jumped on the outrage bus completely ignored the Law of Unintended Consequences. Shortly he will be Mr Nightingale and cut off from his old colleagues in Hereford. He is still to face a retrial and, from where I am looking - it would seem that his offence is an "absolute offence" - i.e. there is no defence - only mitigation. It gives me no pleasure whatsoever to see it end this way - or indeed to say "I told you so" - I only hope that Mr Clifford or someone similar has signed a suitably large financial deal with Sgt Nightingale for his "exclusive" to recompense him for his losses.
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There are still many unanswered questions relating to this matter.
Whatever he is, hard done by is not an appropriate term.
Having chosen not to let it rest in house (which I think would have been unjust to the public) he has opened a can of worms, which has not yet completely spilled out.
He went public because he didn't like the verdict, I wonder what he'll make of the next one...........
"The armed forces is no place for people who will not do as they are told."
I remember hearing that during my last ever interview with OC Admin, five minutes before leaving the RAF.
Whatever he is, hard done by is not an appropriate term.
Having chosen not to let it rest in house (which I think would have been unjust to the public) he has opened a can of worms, which has not yet completely spilled out.
He went public because he didn't like the verdict, I wonder what he'll make of the next one...........
"The armed forces is no place for people who will not do as they are told."
I remember hearing that during my last ever interview with OC Admin, five minutes before leaving the RAF.
ISTR an air marshal, when told pilots in the front line were reluctant to volunteer for QFI training, retorted "They are all volunteers, they volunteered to do as they are told"
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Having chosen not to let it rest in house (which I think would have been unjust to the public)
I think I may have misunderstood - sorry if I have - but I didn't understand that bit of your point.