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I wonder what the press would have said if someone had broken into the accommodation and taken all of the weaponry, then used it in a criminal event that resulted in death or serious injury?
I would think that an inquiry would be called for and the management of the regiment would be called into serious question.
I would think that an inquiry would be called for and the management of the regiment would be called into serious question.
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Logic indeed Airpolice, but you haven't explained the 200 rounds for weapons other than the Glock (for which there were ~100), in particular the AP rounds 
Given that the man still has an appeal in against conviction and we don't know exactly what procedure will be followed, might we be a little more careful about the extent of Inspector Clouseau-like scenario speculation?
I am not suggesting for one moment that this highly controversial case and the current situation cannot be discussed. "Justice is not a cloistered virtue", etc.
I am not suggesting for one moment that this highly controversial case and the current situation cannot be discussed. "Justice is not a cloistered virtue", etc.
My, there’s a few sanctimonious posters here!
AP could be right – but it’s also more than possible that the vast disparity between operating on the edge, where no holds are barred, and the “routine” life at Hereford sometimes results in the bending of rules and regulations – not legally excusable, but understandable – anyone been in the Sergeant’s Mess at Hereford? – worth a visit if you can manage it.
Again – no real argument against the argument that unsecured “equipment” poses a problem if thieves discover it. “Ok, Fred – let’s do a couple of houses tonight. Just to be different, let’s have a go at the quarters of the Regiment – should be a piece of cake….”
I’m surprised no-one’s asked an obvious question. What set of circumstances led to the quarters being searched in the first place?
AP could be right – but it’s also more than possible that the vast disparity between operating on the edge, where no holds are barred, and the “routine” life at Hereford sometimes results in the bending of rules and regulations – not legally excusable, but understandable – anyone been in the Sergeant’s Mess at Hereford? – worth a visit if you can manage it.
Again – no real argument against the argument that unsecured “equipment” poses a problem if thieves discover it. “Ok, Fred – let’s do a couple of houses tonight. Just to be different, let’s have a go at the quarters of the Regiment – should be a piece of cake….”
I’m surprised no-one’s asked an obvious question. What set of circumstances led to the quarters being searched in the first place?
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What set of circumstances led to the quarters being searched in the first place?
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where no holds are barred
anyone been in the Sergeant’s Mess at Hereford
What set of circumstances led to the quarters being searched in the first place?
Glad he got out, BTW, and the incident revealed a culture which had become the norm. They're professional soldiers, but their ankles aren't covered in angel dust.
Good luck to him and his family, his career from now on I suspect may be interesting.
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Ahh, yes. Details. The Sgts were sharing accommodation off-based in SSSFA - ie a commercial hiring - and not in the Sgts' Mess.
AP, I have to agree with you, and a number of other posters. A brand-new Glock, in its manufacturer's case, with three mags. Never fired in the UK (no ballistic/forensic trail)...strange trophy. A Makarov, a gilded AK 47, an antique Mespotamian Tarandor - but a new Glock?
Ahh, yes. Details. The Sgts were sharing accommodation off-based in SSSFA - ie a commercial hiring - and not in the Sgts' Mess.
AP, I have to agree with you, and a number of other posters. A brand-new Glock, in its manufacturer's case, with three mags. Never fired in the UK (no ballistic/forensic trail)...strange trophy. A Makarov, a gilded AK 47, an antique Mespotamian Tarandor - but a new Glock?
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Prawn2 king 4, do you have any idea what SSSA is?
They were not in Quarters, you could easily find the house next door to you in civvy street becomes SSSA overnight and you don't need to be told.
That makes it unlikely that a housebreaker would know who lives there.
The timeline between him obtaining the Glock and his return to the UK remains unexplained. Given the absence of any official record of it being shipped back to Hereford, it could have come from anywhere, and at any time.
Perhaps a trace with the manufacturer might provide some interesting info, maybe even just a build date. Not required for this prosecution, due to a guilty plea, of course. Could it be that the prosecution have taken their foot off the gas a little too early?
I don't think this story is dead in the water, not in the least.
They were not in Quarters, you could easily find the house next door to you in civvy street becomes SSSA overnight and you don't need to be told.
That makes it unlikely that a housebreaker would know who lives there.
The timeline between him obtaining the Glock and his return to the UK remains unexplained. Given the absence of any official record of it being shipped back to Hereford, it could have come from anywhere, and at any time.
Perhaps a trace with the manufacturer might provide some interesting info, maybe even just a build date. Not required for this prosecution, due to a guilty plea, of course. Could it be that the prosecution have taken their foot off the gas a little too early?
I don't think this story is dead in the water, not in the least.
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Yup. Lived in one once. My apologies for not researching the accommodation issue more thoroughly.
We differ in interpretation, but I don’t think sanctimonious applies in your case……
Yup. Lived in one once. My apologies for not researching the accommodation issue more thoroughly.
We differ in interpretation, but I don’t think sanctimonious applies in your case……
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What if the person concerned had been a normal squaddie in a normal Regiment, not an elite unit ? Special deals for special men ? Perhaps i have missed something in all this.
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An interesting post by radeng (#34) on the JB Leveson thread http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/501618-levison-2.html
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Now see this:
How the Ministry of Defence tried to prevent publication of Danny Nightingale's story - Telegraph
The Sunday Telegraph was prepared to ignore a D notice attempting to cover it all up, and the whole story stinks to high heaven. With any governmental control, it could all have been quietly hidden.
Wonder if any MP will quiz the Defence Minister on the facts in that story regarding the pressure on Sgt nightingale to keep it quiet? In my opinion, there should be heads rolling in MoD and resignations from the SAS of those responsible.
How the Ministry of Defence tried to prevent publication of Danny Nightingale's story - Telegraph
The Sunday Telegraph was prepared to ignore a D notice attempting to cover it all up, and the whole story stinks to high heaven. With any governmental control, it could all have been quietly hidden.
Wonder if any MP will quiz the Defence Minister on the facts in that story regarding the pressure on Sgt nightingale to keep it quiet? In my opinion, there should be heads rolling in MoD and resignations from the SAS of those responsible.
Special deals for special men ? Perhaps i have missed something in all this.
Even as a 'special' man he was subject to the law of the land and he was technically guilty on paper...it's the original sentencing that was wildly inappropriate. Therefore he appealed and won. End of.
How topical this is - on the Today program they were discussing the new mandatory life sentences for repeat violent offenders.
Good job he didn't have his armoury at home where one if his children could have got their hands on it!!!
It would take a particularly capable child to take the loose rounds, fit them into a magazine, fit the magazine to the pistol and make ready.
I agree with the rest of your post.
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It would take a particularly capable child to take the loose rounds, fit them into a magazine, fit the magazine to the pistol and make ready.
In that case there are plenty of 'capable' children in the US of A! Never a month goes by without an incident involving children and their parents guns!
In that case there are plenty of 'capable' children in the US of A! Never a month goes by without an incident involving children and their parents guns!
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The Sunday Telegraph was prepared to ignore a D notice...
In this case it wasn't and the D notice was futile.
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It would take a particularly capable child to take the loose rounds, fit them
into a magazine, fit the magazine to the pistol and make ready
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A normal inquisitive child would soon work out how the rounds fit into a magazine and in turn, magazine into the pistol.
As to the make ready, it's possibly easier for a child to fire off the round accidentally with a Glock, than with a hammer action pistol!
It would take a particularly capable child to take the loose rounds, fit them into a magazine, fit the magazine to the pistol and make ready.
As to the make ready, it's possibly easier for a child to fire off the round accidentally with a Glock, than with a hammer action pistol!