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Old 29th Nov 2012, 16:11
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Sgt Nightingale

He's been freed.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 16:18
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Should never have been in in the first place...
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 16:46
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Absolutely!

Would anyone want to enrol in the UK Forces now?

I certainly would not - I persuaded my son not to do so.

It seems the only people who appreciate our soldiers are the general public.

Cameron and every other politician have absolutely no idea.

DO YOU HEAR ME GOVERNMENT Wers???

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Three judges - Lord Chief Justice Lord Judge, Mr Justice Fulford and Mr Justice
Bean - heard legal argument at a hearing in the Court Martial Appeal Court in
London.
I am an ex-military officer - those "officers" responsible for this are pretenders!

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Good to hear


It should never have got to this stage in the first place,
any issue handled "in house" and dealt with then it
would have been accepted by all.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:13
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Brilliant news!

I remember rule No 1 of command was discipline your subordinate quickly as no one could be punished twice for the same offence.

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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:24
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Lets hope others learn from this and if they have any weapons or ammunition at home they may have collected, they get rid of it or take appropriate steps to hold them legally.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:28
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I disagree profoundly with all the above posters.

He knew the rules, wilfully broke them, and has used the reputation of the Reg to manipulate the media in order to get early release from what was already a very lenient sentence. He should have kept his mouth shut, accepted he had f*Ckd up, and done his time.

I saw also he went on TV and made a speech (without even black masking tape over his eyes). It looked to me that this was to fish for a book contract. Good luck to him, but he'll be PNGd for life.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:32
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but he'll be PNGd for life.
All the best people are apparently

Good outcome to an embarrassing situation.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:37
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Good to see the right decision finally made.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:41
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I'm still not sure how someone getting off free for committing a crime is the right outcome. Please explain.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:52
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Because the law is an asinine law...
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:53
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The guy had a weapon in contravention of the Firearms Act.

The guy had AP rounds in contravention of the Firearms Act.

The guy had made declarations about having no live rounds in his possession.

Five years minimum, eight would have been reasonable.

Precendence has now been set, which will come back and bite when we least expect it.
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 17:57
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I'm with you Courters - now how do we stand with Precedent? Both with this case and the female labour MP who was not charged because of ill health? As the thread developed I found myself jumping off the outrage bus and thinking that the CM system had done its best for this bloke - no reduction to the ranks, no discharge etc.
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Because the law is an asinine law
That's a totally different argument. None of us can choose to ignore a law just because we don't like it or it interferes with our desire to collect trophies. You're half right, it IS a law. And he knowingly broke it.

The next gang member caught with an illegal firearm could make the same appeal, I guess. That would be good!

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Old 29th Nov 2012, 18:11
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Anyone who has served in the UK armed forces should have this statement branded into their brain...

"I have no live ammunition or empty cases in my possession"

'nuff said
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 18:18
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I'm still not sure how someone getting off free for committing a crime is the right outcome.
- legally he has not. His sentence was reduced and then suspended. It is still a sentence - which will not go away from his records.

The whole saga is convoluted, with confusing sidelines of mental disturbance and personally I feel this is an acceptable solution.
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Anyone who has served in the UK armed forces should have this statement branded into their brain...

"I have no live ammunition or empty cases in my possession"

'nuff said


I'm confused now. I served in the UK armed forces, but never said that statement, and it is not branded into my brain.

I did however say: "I have no live rounds, misfires or empty cases in my possession"

I also said: "I have no rockets in my pockets, wombats in my combats or shermulies round my goulies"

Maybe brain branding isn't what it used to be
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 18:35
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If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. SF are supposed to be selected for brains as well as brawn.
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With trim stab on this one, this was one of the rules everyone in the mil was clear about. Strange how the media never talk about when, where and how he got hold of the ammunition.

A very lucky guy who will most probably make a mint out of this!
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 18:38
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I have no particular views on the Nightingale case as I haven't read up on all the known "facts", but thank goodness he wasn't some mad nutter who chose to use an unlawfully held weapon and ammunition on some rampage.

The next time a Hungerford/Dunblane occurs, if it's done by an ex-HM Forces chap, presumably some would think that it's just high spirits.
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