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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:14
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On The Times website this afternoon.

Australia sets up military force in battle with China for Pacific influence


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Australia will create a military force aimed at countering growing Chinese influence in the Pacific, the defence minister announced today.

The unit will include an expeditionary training force to work alongside South Pacific nations such as Fiji, Vanuatu and Papua New Guinea and will provide increased military support for the Pacific’s island states.

Known as the Pacific Support Force, it will aim to strengthen Australia’s role in humanitarian assistance, peacekeeping and security operations. It may also include a dedicated vessel to support greater engagement with regional navies.
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:52
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Originally Posted by West Coast
It's my understanding the UK is receiving a BJ and not a JC, so all is well.
JC has kept his political convictions throughout his life, a consistency that is rare in politicians hence why media hate him.

BJ will and has always been "open" for persuasion.
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Originally Posted by Lyneham Lad
Good luck with that.

What is Australians rights to Australia ?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 16:56
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Originally Posted by weemonkey
Quick wee X-ref to ORACs latest thread.. https://www.pprune.org/military-avia...an-bomber.html

These joint operations should be a concern for military planners around the globe.

Remember the PRoC mini fleet sailing through the english channel on their way to joint Ex with russian fleet last year....right on our doorstep as it were...
So you don't support freedom of navigation unless it is in South China Sea ?
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 17:01
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Originally Posted by West Coast
IMO, the threat to XI is millions of formally upward mobile, young Chinese dissatisfied with a stagnant or contracting economy.
You think this alone affects China ?

Great Depression allowed Communism to gain significantly in the West.

2008 Recession would have done similar if Central Banks had not magiced up a money tree and spend billions supporting the economy with debt that can never be repaid. Problem is the debt is still there and got worse and you just look at US where Debt is bigger than economy, cutting debt and US is in depression. Watch what happens then.
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You'd be tough to chat with a party. No matter the topic you direct it back to the evils of the US.
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Westie....he was on a roll and you interrupted....shame on you!
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Old 23rd Jul 2019, 22:48
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
That article reads to me like wishful thinking.
Lone - I'd respectfully suggest spending US$2.79 and reading the 144 page Lowy Paper Xi Jinping - The backlash by the same author, Richard McGregor - it's a short book available on Kindle.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Xi-Jinping.../dp/1760893048
I would have thought the same as you until recently - the reality is a lot more nuanced.
It's a fascinating and detailed, dispassionate insight into how Xi has created many, many enemies throughout China, who are biding their time.

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Old 24th Jul 2019, 08:31
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as someone who isn't an automatic flag waver for the USA I'm trying to work out what racedo's politics are - its a bit like the "What airfield" thread

Socialist (yes), Marxist (possibly), Marxist Leninist - probably not

he hasn't trashed any major communist party so unlikely to be a Trot. and he doesn't go on about Workers Paradise so not an Anarchist

He's probably not a russophile like Van

Almost certainly a Guardian reader I suspect but not an overt Green

I'd say left end of the Labour Party for sure

The BIG Question - is ... does he wear socks with his sandals? And how long is his beard??

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...and does he ride a recumbent bicycle?
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Racedo, has it not occurred to you that JC may be consistently wrong?
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 12:51
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...and does he ride a recumbent bicycle?
While wearing sandals?
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...and does he ride a recumbent bicycle?
While wearing sandals?
Don't we all?

And now back to your regular program(me)!
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Old 24th Jul 2019, 17:39
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Originally Posted by West Coast
You'd be tough to chat with a party. No matter the topic you direct it back to the evils of the US.
Hardly, I would buy you a drink and we sit and admire the view.
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
as someone who isn't an automatic flag waver for the USA I'm trying to work out what racedo's politics are - its a bit like the "What airfield" thread

Socialist (yes), Marxist (possibly), Marxist Leninist - probably not

he hasn't trashed any major communist party so unlikely to be a Trot. and he doesn't go on about Workers Paradise so not an Anarchist

He's probably not a russophile like Van

Almost certainly a Guardian reader I suspect but not an overt Green

I'd say left end of the Labour Party for sure

The BIG Question - is ... does he wear socks with his sandals? And how long is his beard??

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Why do you choose to make a thread personal about someone ?

As someone who has opnely supported Trump since 2016 then your assessment kind of falls flat.
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Originally Posted by Barksdale Boy
Racedo, has it not occurred to you that JC may be consistently wrong?
That he maybe but strange that history is showing his views have been correct on more than one occasion.

Talking to Sinn Fein, while UK Govt doing same in secret while abusing him for doing it. Opposing Iraqi war which everybody now wants to claim they opposed. Opposed Libyan intervention which is still a complete clusterfcuk. Opposing Syrian adventure and UK support for IS/Al Qaeda. Opposes arming Saudi's in Yemen.... how is that working.

Never voted for JC, lived in his constituency in 1980's so knew who he was but there was no election.

As of yet he has never been in Government to damage UK, same as David Cameron in early 2010 and look how that turned out.
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Originally Posted by racedo
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Never voted for JC, lived in his constituency in 1980's so knew who he was but there was no election.
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Thought JC stood for Jesus Christ only :-)
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Originally Posted by A_Van
Thought JC stood for Jesus Christ only :-)
Nope. That is what people say when leaders of the main partys make any announcement. Mostly JFC are they in touch with the real world.
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Originally Posted by racedo
Nope. That is what people say when leaders....
I see. "This common crowd, is much too loud..."

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US plans new naval base in Australia to thwart Chinese

In The Times today:-

The United States is planning to bolster its military presence in the Pacific and counter Chinese expansionism by building a naval base in northern Australia.

At least $211 million has been allocated for “new military construction” near Darwin, which already has a base for thousands of US Marines and their equipment.

The planned new facilities, about 25 miles northeast of the city, in an area known as Glyde Point, would be big enough to accommodate amphibious warships and larger vessels such as the helicopter carrier USS Wasp, which recently sailed into Sydney.
Click the link for full article, map & photo.
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