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The South China Sea's Gathering Storm

Old 23rd Feb 2017, 00:18
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Maybe a surprise attack on Japan using 'tourists' over a certain age is a mitigation against healthcare and support of the elderly...
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 01:01
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times change, even China is changing- I don't think they'll turn into a Western Style democracy but public pressures still exist - they're having to do something about air pollution for example........ when you have a herd of old people around what are they going to do with them? Let them starve? Shoot them??
They will die quickly enough... from air pollution.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 09:20
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They pickle in old age quite well.

There is a tomb near Wuhan of a fairly well off Chinese man who died about a thousand years ago. The tomb, a small wooden cabin, had leaked silt that had preserved his body to an amazing degree. He was still complete, externally, internally and still flexible.

The carried an autopsy and found the cause of death was a stomach problem. His lungs, despite being covered with lamp black were in good condition and did not contribute to his death.

The old ones have spent half their life in small, unventilated sheds with a coal or wood fire keeping them warm.

Pollution? Child's play.
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 11:40
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Land grab limits?

Is there an internationally-accepted legal limit to the amount of land a country can 'make' by dredging/landfill?
Numerous countries with a shoreline do it but surely there must be a limit?
If you decide to dump a load of hardcore in the sea and make an island, which legal entity permits you to claim it - despite it being in international waters?
eg. What is to stop Singapore or Hong Kong from filling in more areas of their coastal waters?
If it is still with-in your original territorial maritime limits, then are those limits extended further to cater for the 'new' land - thereby reducing 'International' waters.
I guess if you are a big enough entity then you can do what you like, especially if your actions are tolerated/ignored by trading partners.
It is one thing to argue about perceived historical rights of once deserted islands but to make an island in the middle of nowhere for the purpose of extending your power base and aspirations can only lead to strife and does not bode well.
Cherry-picking only the convenient international conventions is a practice performed by countries if they are allowed.
After all, who is going to front-up to this particular bully?
Trump that.....
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 12:24
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I don't think there are any limits on what you do in your own territorial waters

"International " waters a bit of a mis-nomer or a red herring as you have the right to free pasage through almost any waters - even territorial waters

The problem with dredging is where do you get the sand from? Malaysia and Indonesia complain that Singapore are getting their sand from their areas

You can extend your economc zone that way but its an expensive way of doing it... and you can keep doing it until you run into someone elses at which point you have to agree.

Look at the N Sea - the Dutch and the Danes originally came to an agreement that stitched up the Germans but it was changed later when germany woke up........
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Old 23rd Feb 2017, 14:05
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Legally a reef in international waters remains a reef in international waters even after you start to fill it up and claim it is an island now and your territory. This is what USS Stennis will prove soon. Enroute from Hawaii.
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SNAFU!: Did China just float a Marine Regiment?
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Less hair is correct - building an airstrip on a reef deosn't make it legally an island that you own - but the Chinese beg to differ......
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EESDL - Land grab limits ?

The Unclos Arbitral Award dated 12 July 2016 explains it all – in 501 pages. Simple it ain’t, but it’s all in there, in very specific detail.

https://pca-cpa.org/wp-content/uploa...0712-Award.pdf

The side that won accepted the verdict in full and also paid the costs of the side that lost, but seems to want to negotiate away their righteous position.

The side that lost didn’t bother to turn up, said ‘get stuffed’ to the verdict, and if anything has increased construction activities including, as we know, some serious militarisation, in the name of peace and humanitarian brotherly love, that (until they did it) they earnestly assured everyone they wouldn’t do.

I liked the planning application for their development of Scarborough that appeared a year ago. I'll see if I can find the pic again. Could have been a spoof though.

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The Scarborough Development Plan is on this brief thread here

http://www.pprune.org/military-aviat...-strategy.html

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The problem with dredging is where do you get the sand from?
Mostly by using numerous ginormous ‘cutter-dredgers’ which grind out the local coral to a water depth of 30 metres and pump it ashore thru’ floating pipes, to where you want it put. ..... but only after you've let your fisher militia dredge up all the valuable giant clamshells to turn into tourist trinkets.

Additionally by using numerous large ro-ro barges to shuttle-ship in large quantities of rock (limestone ?) cut from mainland quarries such as the Tielugang Quarry 5 clicks over the hill NE from the newish Dalian Navy Base on Hainan Island. It’s actually the only suitable quarry I can find on the whole PRC coastline. You can see them loading on GE with several waiting offshore. Try cycling the timeline.

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Old 24th Feb 2017, 03:05
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China says it will fine US ships that don't comply with its new rules in South China Sea

Guess they'll be taking donations from the crew.
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Thanks Flash - I was looking for that but couldn't remember the UN acronym.....
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Ah! the famous Scarbourgh Development Plan - I wondered why there were so many Chinese restaurants there!
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Old 24th Feb 2017, 15:21
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https://www.japantoday.com/category/...nas-activities

TOKYO ó
Japanís Defense Ministry has doubled the number of fighter jets scrambled in each response to foreign airplanes approaching its airspace on the back of Chinaís intensifying military activities around the disputed Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea, government sources say.

Japanís Air Self-Defense Force began scrambling four fighter jets since last year in each case of potential airspace violation by foreign aircraft, they said. The ASDF previously sent two jets in each scramble since it began such missions in 1958.

The number of scrambles by Japan and China has been surging in areas near the Japan-controlled, China-claimed Senkaku Islands in Okinawa Prefecture where the two countriesí air defense identification zones overlap. The two countries have yet to establish a communication mechanism to avoid any accidental aerial or maritime clash.

Between April last year and January, the number of scrambles Japan engaged in already eclipsed the annual record of 944 in fiscal 1984 when Soviet airplanes were active in the Cold War period. According to the sources, an increasing number of Chinese aircraft have been flying past the northern latitude of 27 degrees, which Japan sees as a defense line to keep Chinese planes out of the area between the latitude 25 and 26 degrees north where the Senkakus are located.

Of the four F-15 jets scrambled each time, two in the rear will be on alert to deal with approaches of additional aircraft. The ASDF has also extended the duration of a mission called combat air patrol and begun sending more E-2C early warning aircraft and a surveillance plane known as airborne early warning and control system, or AWACS, during a scramble.

In January last year, the Defense Ministry doubled the number of F-15s stationed at its base in Naha, Okinawa, to about 40, but more frequent scrambles and the increased number of fighter jets flown in each mission led to a shortage of jets on standby. To more flexibly operate aircraft, the air defense command in Tokyo has started controlling fighter jets across different regions, reviewing such rules as the minimum number of aircraft needed for standby at each composite air division.
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 01:31
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Malaysia and Indonesia complain that Singapore are getting their sand from their areas
The most dramatic impact of ocean sand mining is surely felt in Indonesia, where sand miners have completely erased at least two dozen islands since 2005. The stuff of those islands mostly ended up in Singapore, which needs titanic amounts to continue its programme of artificially adding territory by reclaiming land from the sea. The city-state has created an extra 20 square miles in the past 40 years and is still adding more, making it by far the world’s largest sand importer. The demand has denuded beaches and river beds in neighbouring countries to such an extent that Indonesia, Malaysia and Vietnam have all restricted or banned the export of sand to Singapore.

More at
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...is-never-heard
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 07:22
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Hmmm, Territory grabs, maybe the cause of most war!

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There seems to be too much focus on the NK embryonic nuclear capability. They have mastered ballistic missiles and recently demonstrated their VX capability. VX is incredibly difficult to make, but very easy to weaponise. They appear to have all they need to achieve mass destruction in Japan and other potential targets.

Worrying times.
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