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As thread drift seems to be obligatory I feel free to contribute to the Allegro strand. In 1973, on the day of its release, I was returning from a 1ACC det at Culdrose and came upon a head on collision betwen two factory fresh Allegros! I like to think they either waved to each other and lost control or simultaneously realised thier mistake and committed vehicular suicide.
To return to thread I think at least one of the drivers was gay.
To return to thread I think at least one of the drivers was gay.
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Audi TT is a hairdressers car (although maybe the TTRS is an exception)... anything you want to tell us Nutloose?
Audi TT is a hairdressers car (although maybe the TTRS is an exception)... anything you want to tell us Nutloose?
I have a GPS wide mirror fitted in my car that gives you verbal warnings of fixed speed cameras, the speed limit and tells you if you are speeding, it also let's you know when you have cleared the camera too, and it has a digital speed readout and can control mobile camera detectors.... Updates from a PC are free. Made by Cheetah, though they no longer make them.
The one thing my TT could do with is some decent sub woofters in the back, as the Bose system isn't that great.
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An interesting thread beginning with what seemed like a reasonable argument: why allow the public purse to afford servicemen/women a pride march in uniform? Meaning that essentially the government are to provide 20-30 homosexual Service members a free night in London surrounded by many other homosexual men and women for a two hour stroll. Is it a big deal? I'm swayed against the idea.
Several years ago I attended various committees and forums that organised, ran, and promoted these events; both tri-Service and MOD panels. Each time I came away with the thought that these people were pushing too hard for something that was never going to be an issue. OK so some group members were 'old school' and had old fashioned opinions. But does sexual orientation equality need promoting or an awareness campaign launched? Not since homosexuality was 'legalised' from a military standpoint in 2000, and certainly not after the dust had settled by about 2003.
The MOD group were the worst. Never before had I, a gay male serviceman, felt so uncomfortable and out of place! It seemed as though the civil servants wanted to shove fluffy pink wands and rainbow flags into every nook and cranny that could be found in every area of the MOD. It was self alienating.
The Service forums weren't so bad. 'Evolution not revolution' became the slogan for those in touch with the rest of society. With an emphasis on doing the job well; in doing so would naturally lead to less homophobia and ultimately total inclusion in every aspect of military life. Not tradition, homosexuality has never been 'traditional' for any military organisation. But inclusion is important.
As it happens I've led a very comfortable career thus far, have served in many places, and will continue to do so. My sexuality has never been cause for concern from any of my colleagues and neither will I allow it to do so. I don't need to go on pride marches because I feel that it's unnecessary gratuitous display of individuality. I'll never prevent those who wish to take part. Instead I'll support them in anyway possible. But if I continue to do my job well, lead by example, instil the ethos, camaraderie and trust in those I'm lucky enough work with, there is no reason why sexuality should have any bearing on anything at all from anyone.
And besides all this nonsense of cars (really chaps?), what about the aeroplanes? Pistons, turbines, and FJ's are flown by homosexuals too don't you know. How well do you know your co or nav, formation leader, or... fairy!?
Several years ago I attended various committees and forums that organised, ran, and promoted these events; both tri-Service and MOD panels. Each time I came away with the thought that these people were pushing too hard for something that was never going to be an issue. OK so some group members were 'old school' and had old fashioned opinions. But does sexual orientation equality need promoting or an awareness campaign launched? Not since homosexuality was 'legalised' from a military standpoint in 2000, and certainly not after the dust had settled by about 2003.
The MOD group were the worst. Never before had I, a gay male serviceman, felt so uncomfortable and out of place! It seemed as though the civil servants wanted to shove fluffy pink wands and rainbow flags into every nook and cranny that could be found in every area of the MOD. It was self alienating.
The Service forums weren't so bad. 'Evolution not revolution' became the slogan for those in touch with the rest of society. With an emphasis on doing the job well; in doing so would naturally lead to less homophobia and ultimately total inclusion in every aspect of military life. Not tradition, homosexuality has never been 'traditional' for any military organisation. But inclusion is important.
As it happens I've led a very comfortable career thus far, have served in many places, and will continue to do so. My sexuality has never been cause for concern from any of my colleagues and neither will I allow it to do so. I don't need to go on pride marches because I feel that it's unnecessary gratuitous display of individuality. I'll never prevent those who wish to take part. Instead I'll support them in anyway possible. But if I continue to do my job well, lead by example, instil the ethos, camaraderie and trust in those I'm lucky enough work with, there is no reason why sexuality should have any bearing on anything at all from anyone.
And besides all this nonsense of cars (really chaps?), what about the aeroplanes? Pistons, turbines, and FJ's are flown by homosexuals too don't you know. How well do you know your co or nav, formation leader, or... fairy!?
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Just for a bit of balance, I should like to point out that I think the unfairness of all this is the worst bit.
If A calls B a shirtlifter, then A gets a "no coffee, no biscuits" interview.
If B calls A a Homophobe, he is then encouraged to take it further and get the Snowdrops involved.
Why is it only the deviants, rather than the majority, who are allowed to express an opinion?
This also applies in other areas. Can you imagine the uproar if anyone in the Met tried to start a "White Police Officers Association, with the stated aim of furthering the careers of White Police Officers?
If A calls B a shirtlifter, then A gets a "no coffee, no biscuits" interview.
If B calls A a Homophobe, he is then encouraged to take it further and get the Snowdrops involved.
Why is it only the deviants, rather than the majority, who are allowed to express an opinion?
This also applies in other areas. Can you imagine the uproar if anyone in the Met tried to start a "White Police Officers Association, with the stated aim of furthering the careers of White Police Officers?
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This thread has been over complicated with gay is bad or gay is good nonsense when the OP's question was quite simplistic.
I work with a Flt Sgt who has just been questioned by the auditors with regards to the amount of sandwiches he purchased using and not exceeding his DS allowance. He is an RAF sportsman, fit as a bleedin fiddle but apparently buying 3 sandwiches for lunch was deemed excessive and not within the spirit of the allowance regs.
But its perfectly acceptable for a full set of Daily and Nightly subsistence to be issued to allow a minority to attend a Pride march.
Sadly this is what it's come to.
I work with a Flt Sgt who has just been questioned by the auditors with regards to the amount of sandwiches he purchased using and not exceeding his DS allowance. He is an RAF sportsman, fit as a bleedin fiddle but apparently buying 3 sandwiches for lunch was deemed excessive and not within the spirit of the allowance regs.
But its perfectly acceptable for a full set of Daily and Nightly subsistence to be issued to allow a minority to attend a Pride march.
Sadly this is what it's come to.
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Seldom, I think that's a bean counter thing.
My Mum tells folk I was the piano player in a Brothel, but I was actually a Manager with LloydsTSB. We had rules about travel where I could claim for a shuttle airfare from Edinburgh to London at £240 but not a first class ticket on GNER for £180 as only Senior Managers are allowed First Class travel.
My Mum tells folk I was the piano player in a Brothel, but I was actually a Manager with LloydsTSB. We had rules about travel where I could claim for a shuttle airfare from Edinburgh to London at £240 but not a first class ticket on GNER for £180 as only Senior Managers are allowed First Class travel.
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Drill practice is coming along well...
[YOUTUBE]
[YOUTUBE]
Aside from the leave/public expense debate, I'm sure all involved will have a nice day.
I'm off to polish my Allegro...
Aside from the leave/public expense debate, I'm sure all involved will have a nice day.
I'm off to polish my Allegro...
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Actually I thought the Allego looked rather sweet with a pretty read end.
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In one of my various incarnations, many years ago, I worked quite closely with the airport police at a major north west airport. (not Liverpool, I said major) One of them was quite incensed at the unfairness of all the black this and black that organisations springing up and he put forward the proposal for a white police association.
His experience was similar to mine (posted earlier) and he enjoyed a meeting with his Chief Superintendent (no tea OR biscuits I would add) where his Chief Super told him, in words of few syllables, that he was lucky still to have a job and if he dared mention it again the Super would personally tear his head off and shove it up his (the plod's) arse.
You are correct, discrimination is a one way street and that's what pees most people off, me included.
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In one of my various incarnations, many years ago, I worked quite closely with the airport police at a major north west airport. (not Liverpool, I said major) One of them was quite incensed at the unfairness of all the black this and black that organisations springing up and he put forward the proposal for a white police association.
His experience was similar to mine (posted earlier) and he enjoyed a meeting with his Chief Superintendent (no tea OR biscuits I would add) where his Chief Super told him, in words of few syllables, that he was lucky still to have a job and if he dared mention it again the Super would personally tear his head off and shove it up his (the plod's) arse.
You are correct, discrimination is a one way street and that's what pees most people off, me included.
Doc C
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And besides all this nonsense of cars (really chaps?), what about the aeroplanes? Pistons, turbines, and FJ's are flown by homosexuals too don't you know. How well do you know your co or nav, formation leader, or... fairy!?
Several years ago I attended various committees and forums that organised, ran, and promoted these events; both tri-Service and MOD panels. Each time I came away with the thought that these people were pushing too hard for something that was never going to be an issue. OK so some group members were 'old school' and had old fashioned opinions. But does sexual orientation equality need promoting or an awareness campaign launched? Not since homosexuality was 'legalised' from a military standpoint in 2000, and certainly not after the dust had settled by about 2003.
Spot on, nothing alienates more than having it rammed down their throat, I for one couldn't care less if the person working next to me is gay, likes sheep, is a minority group or is a celibate monk..
What rankles is when it is shoved in your face by politicians supporting these, and i say it with no malice, minority groups... do I want to parade through London because I like women, No... Do I want to parade through London because I am white.... No... do I want to parade through London because I am right handed... No, so why should I be looked on as racially sexually left handedisimist.. Simply because I do not agree with all this crap being lofted on me by politicians, senior service members and the courts, simply because they wish to be seen as being PC and push it to the extreme, to make the point.
Gays in the Forces.... Not a problem at all, it was a long time coming and was totally justified in being allowed, I remember during my Service career how those that were " found out" we're hunted down and treated as if they we're lepers and treated disgracefully... That was totally wrong and abhorrent, BUT in these eyes the changes should have been Gays are now allowed and that should have been the end of it, if you wanted to tell folks I am gay, fine... But for the military PC to jump on the subject and then force it on everyone with the push to show how much they are embracing the gay community in the forces is just wrong.
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Well it does confirm some suspicions
Anyway, you seemed up for it after I shaved my legs
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[...]nothing alienates more than having it rammed down their throat, I for one couldn't care less if the person working next to me is gay, likes sheep, is a minority group or is a celibate monk..
[...]I remember during my Service career how those that were " found out" we're hunted down and treated as if they we're lepers and treated disgracefully... That was totally wrong and abhorrent, BUT in these eyes the changes should have been Gays are now allowed and that should have been the end of it, if you wanted to tell folks I am gay, fine... But for the military PC to jump on the subject and then force it on everyone with the push to show how much they are embracing the gay community in the forces is just wrong.
(Reflection: how hard is it to write something sensible with all the possible innuendos on this subject matter!)
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Had to do some research on the Fairey Rotodyne (youn'un here)... Looks 'gay' enough whichever way you view it! Whoever decided it would be clever to put disgusting rotors on an aeroplane must have been a gene short. It's common knowledge that helicopters do not fly, the ground simply repels them - FACT
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Nutloose, far too many innuendos in your post!
Seems to me the best way to integrate the "new acceptance" of all sexual preferences in the military is to make a point of NOT over egging the pudding, so to speak. After all, it's not an over-riding consideration of how well a person does their job, is it?
Equality is, equality makes. = , =.
BTW, one of the most professional people I worked with on my crew "came out" when it first became acceptable to do so. I most definitely am not of the same sexual preference, despite my banter with SFFP. We trusted our lives to each other and respected each other 100%, no issues there. Off duty he was a real gentleman, too. One of the few SNCOs I took as a guest into the Officers' Mess. I reckon he was too much of gentleman to go flaunting himself in uniform on a "Gay march" just to prove a point to satisfy someone else's sense of political correctness.
Seems to me the best way to integrate the "new acceptance" of all sexual preferences in the military is to make a point of NOT over egging the pudding, so to speak. After all, it's not an over-riding consideration of how well a person does their job, is it?
Equality is, equality makes. = , =.
BTW, one of the most professional people I worked with on my crew "came out" when it first became acceptable to do so. I most definitely am not of the same sexual preference, despite my banter with SFFP. We trusted our lives to each other and respected each other 100%, no issues there. Off duty he was a real gentleman, too. One of the few SNCOs I took as a guest into the Officers' Mess. I reckon he was too much of gentleman to go flaunting himself in uniform on a "Gay march" just to prove a point to satisfy someone else's sense of political correctness.
