Procrastination on Syria
Trim STab, thanks so much for being predictable. 
As I said, there are a variety of other ways this all plays out.
Andu: Amen!
As I said, there are a variety of other ways this all plays out.
Andu: Amen!
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Me too, phil... Those "freedom fighters'" idea of an Arab Spring is to 'spring' the world, both them and the rest of us, back to the 14th century.
I believe the current sorry excuse for leaders we're 'enjoying' in the West are about to find out just how wise those 'unenlightened' earlier Western leaders were in lending support to those awful despots who have led the Arab world for the last half century or more.
A mate of mine, who served as a very senior diplomat in Cairo only a few short years ago, at the time of the first demonstrations in Cairo, said, prophetically, I think, that "...two years from now, those Egyptians demonstrating in the streets will be looking back to the Mubarak years as 'the good old days' - particularly the women."
Careful what you wish for indeed...
I believe the current sorry excuse for leaders we're 'enjoying' in the West are about to find out just how wise those 'unenlightened' earlier Western leaders were in lending support to those awful despots who have led the Arab world for the last half century or more.
A mate of mine, who served as a very senior diplomat in Cairo only a few short years ago, at the time of the first demonstrations in Cairo, said, prophetically, I think, that "...two years from now, those Egyptians demonstrating in the streets will be looking back to the Mubarak years as 'the good old days' - particularly the women."
Careful what you wish for indeed...
The Black Sea Fleet elements of the Russian Navy Task Force are returning to home port.
Russian naval unit to continue mission in Mediterranean without Black Sea Fleet ships | Russia Beyond The Headlines
At least two vessels of the Baltic Fleet Task Force element have left the Mediterranean. Currently heading northwards off the coast of Portugal.
Russian naval unit to continue mission in Mediterranean without Black Sea Fleet ships
Russian Black Sea Fleet ships have completed their mission in the Mediterranean as part of an inter-fleet unit including also ships from the Northern and Baltic Fleets, and the unit will continue its mission in the area under a joint command, the Navy Main Staff told Interfax-AVN on Saturday.
"The crews of the destroyer Smetlivy and the landing ships Tsezar Kunikov and Nikolai Filchenkov have completed their combat mission in the Mediterranean," a Navy Main Staff spokesperson said.
The Navy Main Staff had told Interfax-AVN earlier on Saturday that the Tsezar Kunikov and the Nikolai Filchenkov had returned to their base at the Sevastopol port on Saturday morning, and the Smetlivy was in the Sea of Marmara and was expected to reach Sevastopol on Sunday to take part in the final phase of a naval parade marking Navy Day.
The inter-fleet unit will continue performing its duties in the Mediterranean until it receives a special instruction from the Main Staff. "It was planned that the units of ships from the three fleets will meet in the Mediterranean at the end of July to jointly perform emerging tasks. However, this task is no longer relevant," he said.
Russian Black Sea Fleet ships have completed their mission in the Mediterranean as part of an inter-fleet unit including also ships from the Northern and Baltic Fleets, and the unit will continue its mission in the area under a joint command, the Navy Main Staff told Interfax-AVN on Saturday.
"The crews of the destroyer Smetlivy and the landing ships Tsezar Kunikov and Nikolai Filchenkov have completed their combat mission in the Mediterranean," a Navy Main Staff spokesperson said.
The Navy Main Staff had told Interfax-AVN earlier on Saturday that the Tsezar Kunikov and the Nikolai Filchenkov had returned to their base at the Sevastopol port on Saturday morning, and the Smetlivy was in the Sea of Marmara and was expected to reach Sevastopol on Sunday to take part in the final phase of a naval parade marking Navy Day.
The inter-fleet unit will continue performing its duties in the Mediterranean until it receives a special instruction from the Main Staff. "It was planned that the units of ships from the three fleets will meet in the Mediterranean at the end of July to jointly perform emerging tasks. However, this task is no longer relevant," he said.
At least two vessels of the Baltic Fleet Task Force element have left the Mediterranean. Currently heading northwards off the coast of Portugal.
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And now the Kurds in Northern Syria want independence. I can't see that pleasing our NATO ally Turkey and it makes accurate predictions to the final outcome of this conflict even more impossible.
And now the Kurds in Northern Syria want independence. I can't see that pleasing our NATO ally Turkey and it makes accurate predictions to the final outcome of this conflict even more impossible.
That's passing strange.
NATO went to great lengths to use armed force to support the independence of Bosnians, Croats, and Kosovars. (Albanians who moved north?) During the bombing raids on Serbia, a Greek staff officer I worked with was distraught.
His point: "we are bombing the wrong people!"
Why not throw the full weight of NATO in support of the Kurds?
The initial liberation of the Kurds, begun on 2003, ought to be followed up upon!
NATO went to great lengths to use armed force to support the independence of Bosnians, Croats, and Kosovars. (Albanians who moved north?) During the bombing raids on Serbia, a Greek staff officer I worked with was distraught.
His point: "we are bombing the wrong people!"
Why not throw the full weight of NATO in support of the Kurds?
The initial liberation of the Kurds, begun on 2003, ought to be followed up upon!
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Why not throw the full weight of NATO in support of the Kurds? 
The initial liberation of the Kurds, begun on 2003, ought to be followed up upon!
The initial liberation of the Kurds, begun on 2003, ought to be followed up upon!
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Yes, I have. Frequently. (See the smilies I chose ... )
I think the Kurds have every bit as much right as the Kosovars, Bosniaks, and any number of other "special" nationalistic groups to the support of the international community.
It is just possible that the point I am making is:
Who picks who gets special treatment, and why? Why are the Kurds unspecial? What made Libyans special?
For racedo: I am more than passing familiar with Operation Provide Comfort and such, thanks.
Yes, I have. Frequently. (See the smilies I chose ... )
I think the Kurds have every bit as much right as the Kosovars, Bosniaks, and any number of other "special" nationalistic groups to the support of the international community.
It is just possible that the point I am making is:
Who picks who gets special treatment, and why? Why are the Kurds unspecial? What made Libyans special?
For racedo: I am more than passing familiar with Operation Provide Comfort and such, thanks.
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Who picks who gets special treatment, and why? Why are the Kurds unspecial? What made Libyans special?
Idiots in State Dept / NSA . CIA or of the other Allied countries meddlers who decide something must be done and nobody has the Cojones to says stop usually. Then the stupid exercise gets worse as collective stupidity overcomes any resistance to insanity of idea.
Bit like Brzezinski deciding to interfere in Afghanistan in 1970's, 9/11 was a bit of blowback on that as well as USS Cole and lots of other crap.
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EU has no right to search any countries ships going to Syria unless they in EU territorial waters. The definition of EU territorial waters of course would mean that member states cede their territorial rights to the EU to do as they wish, something unlikely to happen.
Any attempt to do so has no legal basis and no different to an act of piracy on deciding to search ships in International waters with no legal basis in International law.
Course precedence would allow other countries right to do so as well be it military or civilian craft.
EU has no right to search any countries ships going to Syria unless they in EU territorial waters. The definition of EU territorial waters of course would mean that member states cede their territorial rights to the EU to do as they wish, something unlikely to happen.
Any attempt to do so has no legal basis and no different to an act of piracy on deciding to search ships in International waters with no legal basis in International law.
Course precedence would allow other countries right to do so as well be it military or civilian craft.
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Good. The less we keeping sticking our noses into the internal affairs of these places the better. The fools in charge cannot even run our own nations properly let alone having a desire to get involved in things which do not concern them.
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Just struck me that Mrs Asma Assad is a full British Citizen (born in London , schooled in Acton)
So she can come home and, due to her right to a family life, presumably bring her husband with her
Maybe he'll go back to being an eye doctor at St Mary's in W London and she can take up merchant banking again...................
So she can come home and, due to her right to a family life, presumably bring her husband with her
Maybe he'll go back to being an eye doctor at St Mary's in W London and she can take up merchant banking again...................
Works for me, since bankers nowadays seem to be synomyous with "criminal" and worse.
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I no longer have any idea as to who the baddies are or even if there are any goodies. The media have been making misleading statements and/or comments from the beginning - but then they usually do. We, the great unwashed are told what the movers and shakers want us to know.