Voyager: AT Aircraft Only??
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Mates at Brize tell me the Voyager has not in fact carried out "fare paying " military trips. All flight crew/cabin crew training so far. No ETOPS so can't do trips across the pond, and not equipped for trips into" Theatre". VIP Fit for Mr Cameron etc. not available for at least a year
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So the RAF have got a plane that is not yet carrying passengers, can not fly to the states or meet entry requriments for Operations, or carry out air to air refueling, but apart from that the cabin crew training is going well then !
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Champagne anyone...?
So the RAF have got a plane that is not yet carrying passengers...blah....witter....
It's like reading the bloody Daily Mail in here sometimes.....
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No fair comment Stop Start, if British Airways or Virgin take 4 -5 months to get up to speed with a new type, so should the RAF.
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Cessnapete... It would appear 'your mate at Brize' is wrong.... Voyager has indeed carried out Transop'd military tasking, along with with various amounts of crew training. Non ETOPS does not mean voyager cannot fly across the pond, It just means it has to go the long way round (60 min rules routing Iceland, Greenland etc..)....
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Champagne anyone...?
BB. Really? I assume then that you have absolutely no experience of anything to do with the RAF? You're comparing apples and spanners.
New type, new business model, new conversions to said new aircraft, new MAA that to sign off on all aspects of said new aircraft? This is the RAF not BA - get real. Integration of DAS, tanker trials, SOP writing, teaching the RAF how efficiently an AT operation can be run: all these things take time. A lot more time than just buying a few 787s off the shelf and training some crews.
BA et al have the luxury of being able to buy an aircraft off the shelf and then operating it as the maker intended. The RAF do not (and even they did they'd insist on yet another rewrite of the Laws of Physics before it was allowed to fly). The introduction of the Airbus into service will take time. It always does and in the modern risk-averse RAF it will take even longer.
New type, new business model, new conversions to said new aircraft, new MAA that to sign off on all aspects of said new aircraft? This is the RAF not BA - get real. Integration of DAS, tanker trials, SOP writing, teaching the RAF how efficiently an AT operation can be run: all these things take time. A lot more time than just buying a few 787s off the shelf and training some crews.
BA et al have the luxury of being able to buy an aircraft off the shelf and then operating it as the maker intended. The RAF do not (and even they did they'd insist on yet another rewrite of the Laws of Physics before it was allowed to fly). The introduction of the Airbus into service will take time. It always does and in the modern risk-averse RAF it will take even longer.
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Non ETOPS does not mean voyager cannot fly across the pond, It just means it has to go the long way round (60 min rules routing Iceland, Greenland etc..)....
Not much good for AAR trails then as the boys and girls cannot go that way due sea temperature and survivability time ... unless we change the rules of course as there are plenty of SAR assets that way, oh er, hang on a minute.
Ps Falklands rotation/reinforcement?
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The aircraft may already be ETOPS capable - but is the spares, maintenance, flight planning and the crew? and is the CAA/EASA impressed enough to give an ETOPS approval or not?
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Not much good for AAR trails then as the boys and girls cannot go that way due sea temperature and survivability time ... unless we change the rules of course as there are plenty of SAR assets that way, oh er, hang on a minute.
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slightly more significantly, it's not cleared to deliver gas either
Just letting Opsjockey understand the significance of his statement. The aircraft are not ETOPS cleared due to the modifications.
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The aircraft are not ETOPS cleared due to the modifications.
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Good job AAR is a little way off then, I dont think it was ever scheduled to start before 2013... Im sure the ETOPS qualification will all be in order by the time the AAR and the MPA are due to start... no dramas
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I think that due to the Civ / Mil crossover, a lot of things are based on best practice.. sure, It could fly across across the pond on the MAA but best practice denotes ETOPS quals and checks (ops / eng)