Fears for Pentagon air power as Iran claims drone capture
glojo, I absolutely agree with the sentiment of you post, but a point of order:
When did that happen, then?
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This is reminding me of all the hysteria regarding the demise of Bin Laden..
'He is not dead and if he is produce the body'..
When the pictures are shown of the body we then here screams about..
'It could be an impersonator and this is all just a US publicity stunt!'
'He is not dead and if he is produce the body'..
When the pictures are shown of the body we then here screams about..
'It could be an impersonator and this is all just a US publicity stunt!'
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hi Boss eyed,
I do hope I have not caused any misunderstandings regarding my ramblings. I am NOT for one millisecond suggesting that Bin Laden is anything other than deceased. I am attempting to suggest that no matter what proof anyone presents there will always be those that will not accept it.
Apologies for the incorrect user-name 
There were those who for many weeks after that event claimed that this man was still alive and I guess if we could be bothered to Google this rubbish then we will very quickly find a lot more of these silly posts that all spout what I term as 'Drivel'
The Americans mounted a very successful operation and carried out the mission they were tasked with.
Regarding this drone then I have a very open mind but when America states they lost it, Iran states they found it then who am I to state anything different without being in possession of any proof.
The thing does look like a toy but I have seen toys that look far more professional in their appearance
but having said that then what does it matter how it looks as long as it performs the task it was designed for.
I do hope I have not caused any misunderstandings regarding my ramblings. I am NOT for one millisecond suggesting that Bin Laden is anything other than deceased. I am attempting to suggest that no matter what proof anyone presents there will always be those that will not accept it.
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The one photo that has been released (posted in another thread) is what appears to be an amateur photoshop job as the bottom half of his face including the beard is identical to other photos of him.
Burial at sea within 24hrs would just not be done with the body of Osama bin Laden after almost 10yrs of searching!
The next terror attack will be big and will occur soon in my opinion and whenit does, the perpetrators will be tracked down to country 'X' and so will begin the next full scale war.
Burial at sea within 24hrs would just not be done with the body of Osama bin Laden after almost 10yrs of searching!
The next terror attack will be big and will occur soon in my opinion and whenit does, the perpetrators will be tracked down to country 'X' and so will begin the next full scale war.
There were those who for many weeks after that event claimed that this man was still alive and I guess if we could be bothered to Google this rubbish then we will very quickly find a lot more of these silly posts that all spout what I term as 'Drivel'
The Americans mounted a very successful operation and carried out the mission they were tasked with.
Regarding this drone then I have a very open mind but when America states they lost it, Iran states they found it then who am I to state anything different without being in possession of any proof.
The thing does look like a toy but I have seen toys that look far more professional in their appearance
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It wouldn't be an issue if it was a British drone, the radio control would have all but destroyed itself when it hit the ground and all the valves shattered, the software although poorly encryted would turn out to be a copy of Windows 95 running a pirated copy of Flight Sim 98 and the navigational software based on Google Map would probably be an older version of that on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mobile phone..... As for the package, heck you can pick up the old Zenith E cameras on Ebay for a pittance these days.
Still, at least the US will now be able to source cheap spares when the Chinese start producing them.
Strange how it appears to be devoid of any National insignia, given the USA's habit of slapping stars and bars on everything that moves...
Still, at least the US will now be able to source cheap spares when the Chinese start producing them.
Strange how it appears to be devoid of any National insignia, given the USA's habit of slapping stars and bars on everything that moves...
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It wouldn't be an issue if it was a British drone, the radio control would have all but destroyed itself when it hit the ground and all the valves shattered, the software although poorly encryted would turn out to be a copy of Windows 95 running a pirated copy of Flight Sim 98 and the navigational software based on Google Map would probably be an older version of that on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's mobile phone..... As for the package, heck you can pick up the old Zenith E cameras on Ebay for a pittance these days.
Still, at least the US will now be able to source cheap spares when the Chinese start producing them.
Strange how it appears to be devoid of any National insignia, given the USA's habit of slapping stars and bars on everything that moves...
Still, at least the US will now be able to source cheap spares when the Chinese start producing them.
Strange how it appears to be devoid of any National insignia, given the USA's habit of slapping stars and bars on everything that moves...
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another FARS press agency report today, it claims the drone came down near the city of Tabas
Fars News Agency :: Tehran Protests US Violation of Iranian Airspace
Its a copy of a letter of complaint to the UN. This is the interesting bit:
"Upon instructions from my Government, I have the honor to draw your kind attention to the provocative and covert operations against the Islamic Republic of Iran by the United States Government, which have increased and intensified in recent months.
In the continuation of such trend, recently, an American RQ-170 unmanned spy plane, bearing a specific serial number, violated Iran 's air space. This plane flied 250 Kilometers deep into Iranian territory up to the northern region of the city of Tabas , where it faced prompt and forceful action by the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
This is not the only act of aggression and covert operation by the United States against the Islamic Republic of Iran. In the past, the Iranian Government lodged its strong protests against similar acts by submitting several Notes including Notes No. 164440 dated 29 October 2008 and No. 268483 dated 11 February 2009 to the Government of the United States."
Fars News Agency :: Tehran Protests US Violation of Iranian Airspace
Its a copy of a letter of complaint to the UN. This is the interesting bit:
"Upon instructions from my Government, I have the honor to draw your kind attention to the provocative and covert operations against the Islamic Republic of Iran by the United States Government, which have increased and intensified in recent months.
In the continuation of such trend, recently, an American RQ-170 unmanned spy plane, bearing a specific serial number, violated Iran 's air space. This plane flied 250 Kilometers deep into Iranian territory up to the northern region of the city of Tabas , where it faced prompt and forceful action by the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Iran.
This is not the only act of aggression and covert operation by the United States against the Islamic Republic of Iran. In the past, the Iranian Government lodged its strong protests against similar acts by submitting several Notes including Notes No. 164440 dated 29 October 2008 and No. 268483 dated 11 February 2009 to the Government of the United States."
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Watch it turn out to be the CIA's best prank ever.
"Let's let slip a UAV has been lost near Iran, then watch and see them arsing about for a week trying to find it and fail, then see if they build a model of one and display it to the world. They'll look like a right set of bell*nds!"
Reminds me a little of when that missile test went wrong and they photoshopped an extra one into the press release.
"Let's let slip a UAV has been lost near Iran, then watch and see them arsing about for a week trying to find it and fail, then see if they build a model of one and display it to the world. They'll look like a right set of bell*nds!"
Reminds me a little of when that missile test went wrong and they photoshopped an extra one into the press release.
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in another FARS press release today
Fars News Agency :: Senior Cleric: Iran to Give Crushing Response to Aggressors
"Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Forces Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh appeared on TV last night to explain how Iranian forces downed the United States' highly advanced radar-evading spy drone last week.
"Recently, our collected intelligence and precise electronic monitoring revealed that this aircraft intended to infiltrate our country's airspace for spying missions," the General said, and added, "After it entered the Eastern parts of the country, this aircraft fell into the trap of our armed forces and was downed in Iran with minimum damage."
"The wing-to-wing width of the RQ-170 Sentinel drone is around 26 meters with a length of 4.5 meters and height of 1.84 meters.""
Now he's either had words put in his mouth by someone, or he's not seen the supposed capture and is relying on info from the internet. The "drone" in the Iranian photos is clearly not 26 metres wingspan
Fars News Agency :: Senior Cleric: Iran to Give Crushing Response to Aggressors
"Commander of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Forces Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajizadeh appeared on TV last night to explain how Iranian forces downed the United States' highly advanced radar-evading spy drone last week.
"Recently, our collected intelligence and precise electronic monitoring revealed that this aircraft intended to infiltrate our country's airspace for spying missions," the General said, and added, "After it entered the Eastern parts of the country, this aircraft fell into the trap of our armed forces and was downed in Iran with minimum damage."
"The wing-to-wing width of the RQ-170 Sentinel drone is around 26 meters with a length of 4.5 meters and height of 1.84 meters.""
Now he's either had words put in his mouth by someone, or he's not seen the supposed capture and is relying on info from the internet. The "drone" in the Iranian photos is clearly not 26 metres wingspan
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Say what you like about the Iranians, but i will say one thing, they sure know how to polish a floor...
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Something fishy is going on. Something is just not right about the whole thing.
Anytime one of these countries shoots something down, they parade bits an pieces of it all over, but not in this case.
We will see.
Anytime one of these countries shoots something down, they parade bits an pieces of it all over, but not in this case.
We will see.
The two lumps: Directional antennas or maybe even somewhere for the wheels to go (although I somehow doubt it on a stealthyish aircraft)
500N: Your spoof theory is ok but why go to all the bother of parachutes, pallets and stuff, when you could just tow it and let it glide down?
If its is a real one, maybe all the hatches are on the bottom and they have been blown off by explosives which destroyed the clever stuff.
Oh, and the grille? Aircraft maybe referred to as she. Its in Iran now, so its not a grille, its wearing a burka
500N: Your spoof theory is ok but why go to all the bother of parachutes, pallets and stuff, when you could just tow it and let it glide down?
If its is a real one, maybe all the hatches are on the bottom and they have been blown off by explosives which destroyed the clever stuff.
Oh, and the grille? Aircraft maybe referred to as she. Its in Iran now, so its not a grille, its wearing a burka
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Re "500N: Your spoof theory is ok but why go to all the bother of parachutes, pallets and stuff, when you could just tow it and let it glide down?"
Why ?
Because I am not a pilot, know SFA about aero dynamics and wouldn't know if that thing would drop like a stone, spin down like a Sycamore seed or glide to a landing point if the engine cut out.
So, unlike SAM, I try only talk about what I know and the method I described is low tech, all gear needed would be readily available in Afghanistan, it's easy to set up and more importantly, it works, achieving the desired result of putting a drone with a little damage on the ground in Iran.
Gliding ?
Do you reckon you could tow that Drone behind another plane OK and that it would glide exactly where you wanted it to go ? I have my doubts but will leave it to the experts on here to correct me as to why it would glide OK.
HTH
Re "500N: Your spoof theory is ok but why go to all the bother of parachutes, pallets and stuff, when you could just tow it and let it glide down?"
Why ?
Because I am not a pilot, know SFA about aero dynamics and wouldn't know if that thing would drop like a stone, spin down like a Sycamore seed or glide to a landing point if the engine cut out.
So, unlike SAM, I try only talk about what I know and the method I described is low tech, all gear needed would be readily available in Afghanistan, it's easy to set up and more importantly, it works, achieving the desired result of putting a drone with a little damage on the ground in Iran.
Gliding ?
Do you reckon you could tow that Drone behind another plane OK and that it would glide exactly where you wanted it to go ? I have my doubts but will leave it to the experts on here to correct me as to why it would glide OK.
HTH
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if you want to get into an argument over who came up with the idea of the flying wing, I think a designer called Hill got there first in the 1920's with the Westlland Pterodactyls
see Westland Pterodactyl
My father can still remember seeing them in the 1930's
see Westland Pterodactyl
My father can still remember seeing them in the 1930's
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There was also the Halton Aero Club's HAC3 Meteor around the same time. This RAF Serviceman's Club still operates at RAF Halton today (not with flying wings I hasten to add!).
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPD...20-%200339.PDF
Also, Jose Weiss made flying wing gliders in 1910 if you really want to be picky!
That said I think Northrop and the Hortens really put flying wings on the table as a viable design.
LJ
There was also the Halton Aero Club's HAC3 Meteor around the same time. This RAF Serviceman's Club still operates at RAF Halton today (not with flying wings I hasten to add!).
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPD...20-%200339.PDF
Also, Jose Weiss made flying wing gliders in 1910 if you really want to be picky!
That said I think Northrop and the Hortens really put flying wings on the table as a viable design.
LJ
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I'm not saying flying wings don't glide, I'm questioning towing THIS drone behind a plane without anyone in it and being able to get it up to a height to let it glide without everything turning to ................
If you dropped this from the back of a C17 or a C130, would it glide down to the ground by itself of would it get to the ground in some other way ?
ie Flat Spin, Flutter down from side to side or drop like a stone ?
What I am saying is without having anyone in the actual drone - which is the difference between this Drone and the flying Wings with Pilots you have all pointed me to as examples of flying wings.
The OP who posed the question to me specifically said TOW and Glide
and since the Drone doesn't have a pilot on board, that's what is making me question the whole thing.
Remember, we are talking about how the US got a FAKE Drone into Iran, not a real RB-170 that could be controlled by a Pilot located at Creech AFB.
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If you dropped this from the back of a C17 or a C130, would it glide down to the ground by itself of would it get to the ground in some other way ?
ie Flat Spin, Flutter down from side to side or drop like a stone ?
What I am saying is without having anyone in the actual drone - which is the difference between this Drone and the flying Wings with Pilots you have all pointed me to as examples of flying wings.
The OP who posed the question to me specifically said TOW and Glide
and since the Drone doesn't have a pilot on board, that's what is making me question the whole thing.
Remember, we are talking about how the US got a FAKE Drone into Iran, not a real RB-170 that could be controlled by a Pilot located at Creech AFB.
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It had a British electrical system....engineered by Smiths.....no wonder the damn thing crashed!
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those early flying wings were all very stable and very difficult to control. Its really only modern computer control systems that enable them to fly.
Can't see anyone wasting that money on a fake.
Can't see anyone wasting that money on a fake.
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Intersting
speculation seems to be growing that IF a drone was brought down, that this is the device that did it
Avtobaza: Iran's weapon in alleged RQ-170 affair? - The DEW Line
Of course total speculation
speculation seems to be growing that IF a drone was brought down, that this is the device that did it
Avtobaza: Iran's weapon in alleged RQ-170 affair? - The DEW Line
Of course total speculation