Fears for Pentagon air power as Iran claims drone capture
Tourist, I think somone might have hacked your toys and pram interface
Come on this is just idle chit chat.....no need to react so badly.
Lets look back, no one or very few believed they ( india, pakistan, israel, south africa, north korea etc etc etc ) could build a bomb.....but they did
No one believed a stealth fighter could be shot down until it happened.
Yes i agree uavs fall out of the sky and so do all single engined planes at sometime. It is probably the likely cause........but what if.....and if it was should we not consider it and be prepared? Just because most of us don't understand it does not mean it is unlikely
Occam's razor also says something about once you have ruled out most things the single thing you are left with and however unlikely that might be, is the probable cause.
I happen to agree with you.....but listen to the device man he has some good imsight.
Come on this is just idle chit chat.....no need to react so badly.
Lets look back, no one or very few believed they ( india, pakistan, israel, south africa, north korea etc etc etc ) could build a bomb.....but they did
No one believed a stealth fighter could be shot down until it happened.
Yes i agree uavs fall out of the sky and so do all single engined planes at sometime. It is probably the likely cause........but what if.....and if it was should we not consider it and be prepared? Just because most of us don't understand it does not mean it is unlikely
Occam's razor also says something about once you have ruled out most things the single thing you are left with and however unlikely that might be, is the probable cause.
I happen to agree with you.....but listen to the device man he has some good imsight.
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US RQ-170 drone missing in Iran was part of CIA spy operation | Space, Military and Medicine | News.com.au
Maybe I'm missing something, wouldn't the last thing you would want your "drone" to do if loosing contact, is to find some where to land? I'm suspecting bullsh!t. I mean imagine it, you would not have to take control, just jam comm's and whalla comes into land at your base.
If it is the case the Iranians would be p!ssing them selves laughing.
According to a senior US military source with intimate knowledge of the Sentinel drone, the aircraft likely "wandered" into Iranian air space after losing contact with its handlers and is presumed to be intact since it is programmed to fly level and find a place to land, rather than crashing.
If it is the case the Iranians would be p!ssing them selves laughing.
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"Note: The following assessment comes from chapter 16 of the 2nd edition of Inside Cyber Warfare, due out this month:
In 2010 the Iranian Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) set up its first official cyber warfare division.Since then, its budget and focus has indicated the intention of growing these cyber warfare capabilities.
Education is considered a top priority in the strategy, with increased attention to computer engineering-specific cyber security programs. The IRGC budget on cyber capabilities is estimated to be US$76 million.
The IRGC’s cyber warfare capabilities are believed to include the following weapons: compromised counterfeit computer software,wireless data communications jammers, computer viruses and worms, cyber data collection exploitation, computer and network reconnaissance, and embedded Trojan time bombs.
The cyber personnel force is estimated to be 2,400, with an additional 1,200 in reserves or at the militia level. In June 2011 Iran announced that the Khatam al-Anbiya Base, which is tasked with protecting Iranian cyberspace, is now capable to counter any cyber attack from abroad, a claim that will likely be tested soon given the volatile nature of cyberspace. "
I'm not saying the Iranians did it, but we must be open to the possibility of it happening
"Note: The following assessment comes from chapter 16 of the 2nd edition of Inside Cyber Warfare, due out this month:
In 2010 the Iranian Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) set up its first official cyber warfare division.Since then, its budget and focus has indicated the intention of growing these cyber warfare capabilities.
Education is considered a top priority in the strategy, with increased attention to computer engineering-specific cyber security programs. The IRGC budget on cyber capabilities is estimated to be US$76 million.
The IRGC’s cyber warfare capabilities are believed to include the following weapons: compromised counterfeit computer software,wireless data communications jammers, computer viruses and worms, cyber data collection exploitation, computer and network reconnaissance, and embedded Trojan time bombs.
The cyber personnel force is estimated to be 2,400, with an additional 1,200 in reserves or at the militia level. In June 2011 Iran announced that the Khatam al-Anbiya Base, which is tasked with protecting Iranian cyberspace, is now capable to counter any cyber attack from abroad, a claim that will likely be tested soon given the volatile nature of cyberspace. "
I'm not saying the Iranians did it, but we must be open to the possibility of it happening
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Wouldn't it be nice to have hyper sonic missiles?
Iran reports they've forced a drone down....unexplained explosion 6 minutes later.
Or better yet, space based lasers.
Iran reports they've forced a drone down....discover that it had an internal meltdown defense system.
Anyone have Tom Clancy's phone number?
Iran reports they've forced a drone down....unexplained explosion 6 minutes later.
Or better yet, space based lasers.
Iran reports they've forced a drone down....discover that it had an internal meltdown defense system.
Anyone have Tom Clancy's phone number?
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I have no doubt at all that the Iranians' technical ability as a nation is every bit as good as the best we can field in the "West". Many years ago, when we were friends with the land of the peacock throne, I operated Valiants on detachments to various Iranian Air Force bases. If ever we had a problem it was rapidly sorted by the base engineers. They could make parts overnight in their workshops that were as good as any replacement item would have been had we waited for it to have been shipped out from the UK. They were great people too. I honestly believe that national characteristics don't change and that, if it could get from under the ayatollas' yoke, Iran would become a vibrant, progressive nation.
I have no doubt at all that the Iranians' technical ability as a nation is every bit as good as the best we can field in the "West". Many years ago, when we were friends with the land of the peacock throne, I operated Valiants on detachments to various Iranian Air Force bases. If ever we had a problem it was rapidly sorted by the base engineers. They could make parts overnight in their workshops that were as good as any replacement item would have been had we waited for it to have been shipped out from the UK. They were great people too. I honestly believe that national characteristics don't change and that, if it could get from under the ayatollas' yoke, Iran would become a vibrant, progressive nation.
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A thought & probably not a good one but lets say the Iranians have a crashed UAV in their back garden. I wonder, was it a plant? (sorry, pun not intended). Was it deliberatly lost in their general direction? Have they been given something to put them off the scent, a bit of avionic disinformation? WW1 and a bag full of maps were 'lost' in the Middle East and the other side bought it. Are they all banging holes in each others backs and looking the wrong way? Shut up GF?
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"I have no doubt at all that the Iranians' technical ability as a nation is every bit as good as the best we can field in the "West"."
Then you are strangely deluded.
Give me one example to defend your assertion.
Show me an aircraft to "every bit as good as" the F22 or Typhoon etc.
Show me a microchip production plant
Show me any indigenous industry that matches the best of the west.
Show me a university publishing cutting edge science.
Just one will do.
You are being silly.
I agree with the rest of your statement about them being a nice bunch though.
Then you are strangely deluded.
Give me one example to defend your assertion.
Show me an aircraft to "every bit as good as" the F22 or Typhoon etc.
Show me a microchip production plant
Show me any indigenous industry that matches the best of the west.
Show me a university publishing cutting edge science.
Just one will do.
You are being silly.
I agree with the rest of your statement about them being a nice bunch though.
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Quite right, Tourist. The point is that aerospace technology has moved on so far that engineers (and I don't doubt they had/have some good ones) can no longer knock up a part and replace something.
And I like your post grading system. Could you add:
I CAME OFF MY MEDICATION WHEN I CLEARLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE.
There is nothing wrong with the ordinary Iranian people. Yes, shrug off the yoke (like it's that easy) and they will be a good country.
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And I like your post grading system. Could you add:
I CAME OFF MY MEDICATION WHEN I CLEARLY SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE.
There is nothing wrong with the ordinary Iranian people. Yes, shrug off the yoke (like it's that easy) and they will be a good country.
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Tourist you are quite right to level the field a little but...consider the following
1. They have made umpteen hundred centrifuges to purify atomic material
2. With the twin tailed f5 they have demonstrated the ability to make high grade forged castings
3. Keeping the f14 flying, they have demonstrated an ability to make some high grade fourth gen tech conitune to work with no om support. Worth googling some of the articles on these squadrons during the iraq iran war. Very effective fighters and very ingeniuos solutions to the embargo.
Not of my meds or any way linked to the iranians....but do believe in not underestimating my potentail foe. There are many many bright people there and i would not want to under estimate them.....
I am going back to my meds now as nursey is calling
1. They have made umpteen hundred centrifuges to purify atomic material
2. With the twin tailed f5 they have demonstrated the ability to make high grade forged castings
3. Keeping the f14 flying, they have demonstrated an ability to make some high grade fourth gen tech conitune to work with no om support. Worth googling some of the articles on these squadrons during the iraq iran war. Very effective fighters and very ingeniuos solutions to the embargo.
Not of my meds or any way linked to the iranians....but do believe in not underestimating my potentail foe. There are many many bright people there and i would not want to under estimate them.....
I am going back to my meds now as nursey is calling
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"1. They have made umpteen hundred centrifuges to purify atomic material "
Something even we could do 670yrs ago. Without help.
"2. With the twin tailed f5 they have demonstrated the ability to make high grade forged castings"
Well done, they can forge basic metal. Did you see the Rolls Royce engine programme?
"Keeping the f14 flying, they have demonstrated an ability to make some high grade fourth gen tech conitune to work with no om support. Worth googling some of the articles on these squadrons during the iraq iran war. Very effective fighters and very ingeniuos solutions to the embargo."
F14 was designed in the 60s. That is 50 years ago. Half a century. And they can't build and design them, they can just keep some of them flying.
It is most certainly not 4th gen
The Iranis are just as smart and ingenious as anybody else on the planet, but they are most certainly not technologically advanced.
I never underestimate them, but it is not their tech that we should be concerned about so much as clever asymetric ideas.
Something even we could do 670yrs ago. Without help.
"2. With the twin tailed f5 they have demonstrated the ability to make high grade forged castings"
Well done, they can forge basic metal. Did you see the Rolls Royce engine programme?
"Keeping the f14 flying, they have demonstrated an ability to make some high grade fourth gen tech conitune to work with no om support. Worth googling some of the articles on these squadrons during the iraq iran war. Very effective fighters and very ingeniuos solutions to the embargo."
F14 was designed in the 60s. That is 50 years ago. Half a century. And they can't build and design them, they can just keep some of them flying.
It is most certainly not 4th gen
The Iranis are just as smart and ingenious as anybody else on the planet, but they are most certainly not technologically advanced.
I never underestimate them, but it is not their tech that we should be concerned about so much as clever asymetric ideas.
It is most certainly not 4th gen
I just see the hypcrisy that somehow Iran are the bad guys because they look after their interests where as Qatar (WTF are they) send troops to Libya in breach of UN and everybody loves them.
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"4th gen meets 1st gen fired ammunition - pretty much same result as 4th gen aircraft meeting 4th gen fired ammunition"
Gosh, that's deep.
No....wait
Deep isn't the word I'm looking for.
Obtuse, that's it!
The reason for developing 4th gen hardware is so that the bad guys never get to use their 1st gen bullets on it as they are too busy eating 4th gen bullets.
"I just see the hypcrisy that somehow Iran are the bad guys because they look after their interests where as Qatar (WTF are they) send troops to Libya in breach of UN and everybody loves them. "
Wow, that's deep....
Wait, are you a hippy?
Gosh, that's deep.
No....wait
Deep isn't the word I'm looking for.
Obtuse, that's it!
The reason for developing 4th gen hardware is so that the bad guys never get to use their 1st gen bullets on it as they are too busy eating 4th gen bullets.
"I just see the hypcrisy that somehow Iran are the bad guys because they look after their interests where as Qatar (WTF are they) send troops to Libya in breach of UN and everybody loves them. "
Wow, that's deep....
Wait, are you a hippy?
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Tourist,
"4th gen meets 1st gen fired ammunition - pretty much same result as 4th gen aircraft meeting 4th gen fired ammunition"
That's an arrogant statement that commanders the world over who have under estimated the enemy have lived to regret.
More than one way to take out 4th gen hardware without firing bullets / missiles at them.
The US military, one if not the worlds most advanced ..............
A bit of ANFO and det cord and hey presto, defeat the latest tanks with the best armour - so back on level playing fields.
Apache, latest technology, brought down by AA fire from old AA guns as well as RPG's, very much old technology.
Agree that if Iran was not under the regime, they would be a very progressive country. My father did many trips to Iran prior to the revolution, particularly Isfahan to help them build some plant or other. probably glad they didn't finish since it was metal related (IMI).
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"4th gen meets 1st gen fired ammunition - pretty much same result as 4th gen aircraft meeting 4th gen fired ammunition"
That's an arrogant statement that commanders the world over who have under estimated the enemy have lived to regret.
More than one way to take out 4th gen hardware without firing bullets / missiles at them.
The US military, one if not the worlds most advanced ..............
A bit of ANFO and det cord and hey presto, defeat the latest tanks with the best armour - so back on level playing fields.
Apache, latest technology, brought down by AA fire from old AA guns as well as RPG's, very much old technology.
Agree that if Iran was not under the regime, they would be a very progressive country. My father did many trips to Iran prior to the revolution, particularly Isfahan to help them build some plant or other. probably glad they didn't finish since it was metal related (IMI).
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A few bits in the news on this side of the pond indicate that someone in Washington is admitting/suggesting that CIA has been sending various drones over Iran with some frequency for the past "i am not quite sure how many" years.
This puzzles me.
1. Is this OPDEC? Is this the first, and they are covering up a first mission gone badly wrong with a smokescreen?
2. Why would you admit this, even if it were true? When you confirm it, you save your opponent/enemy time and effort trying to confirm what they suspect. Maybe I am too much a product of the Cold War, but that's, to me, a strategic stupidity. Keep 'em guessing!
3. Why does "CIA spokesperson" exist as a job title? The most pressing part of their job is keeping themselves in STFU status. Let someone else in Washington do the talking.
4. If they've been flying drones over Iran for some time now, what are drones offering as collectors that some of the other platforms, long used, don't? That last is a thought piece, and not really looking for an answer here.
This story smells more and more of cod fish oil.
This puzzles me.
1. Is this OPDEC? Is this the first, and they are covering up a first mission gone badly wrong with a smokescreen?
2. Why would you admit this, even if it were true? When you confirm it, you save your opponent/enemy time and effort trying to confirm what they suspect. Maybe I am too much a product of the Cold War, but that's, to me, a strategic stupidity. Keep 'em guessing!
3. Why does "CIA spokesperson" exist as a job title? The most pressing part of their job is keeping themselves in STFU status. Let someone else in Washington do the talking.
4. If they've been flying drones over Iran for some time now, what are drones offering as collectors that some of the other platforms, long used, don't? That last is a thought piece, and not really looking for an answer here.
This story smells more and more of cod fish oil.
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STFU is not something the Obama Gov't is very good at across the board.
Something to do with equality and everybody having access to the same ?
Better to say nothing and as you say, keep them guessing and expending energy on trying to find out.
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STFU is not something the Obama Gov't is very good at across the board.
Something to do with equality and everybody having access to the same ?
Better to say nothing and as you say, keep them guessing and expending energy on trying to find out.
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