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I applied and was succesful but still have mixed feelings.
The covering letter had a statement of entitlement which was £15,000 less than that which I'd calculated online.
I went to PSF to enquire to be met by a barricade stating "PSF is closed for staff training on Thursday afternoons" - Priceless.
I ignored the sign but managed to restrain myself from putting my boot through it.
The covering letter had a statement of entitlement which was £15,000 less than that which I'd calculated online.
I went to PSF to enquire to be met by a barricade stating "PSF is closed for staff training on Thursday afternoons" - Priceless.
I ignored the sign but managed to restrain myself from putting my boot through it.
Quote: While it's a cack situation for those being shown the door who didn't want to go, if you think the military is treating people badly, try finding another employer that would sack people but give them a year's notice and a 9 month salary tax free lump sum.
(with the very significant acknowledgement that you're unlikely to find another employer that might ask you to die for them!)
While (mainly in the lower ranks) expecting you to carry on working for a great deal of that notice period as if nothing had happened whilst preparing to throw your wife and family out of your MQ. It happened in previous tranches! I feel for one and all of them.
(with the very significant acknowledgement that you're unlikely to find another employer that might ask you to die for them!)
While (mainly in the lower ranks) expecting you to carry on working for a great deal of that notice period as if nothing had happened whilst preparing to throw your wife and family out of your MQ. It happened in previous tranches! I feel for one and all of them.
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While (mainly in the lower ranks) expecting you to carry on working for a great deal of that notice period as if nothing had happened whilst preparing to throw your wife and family out of your MQ. It happened in previous tranches! I feel for one and all of them.
They did offer a couple of in house training courses on writing CVs and interview techniques but due to the numbers not everyone could get on the course.
Oh and they re-wrote the redundancy package in January so that those who were going would go on less generous terms.
It's great working for a public sector organisation....
Interesting comment about the statement of entitlement not matching what you had calculated online, as I'm relying on that calculation being accurate in case I feature in future tranches!
Other people selected; did your statement of entitlement tally up with what the redundancy calculator told you? Are you entitled to a resettlement grant on top of the special capital payment?
Other people selected; did your statement of entitlement tally up with what the redundancy calculator told you? Are you entitled to a resettlement grant on top of the special capital payment?
Is it really just 9 months salary (plus I'm assuming something like 3x pension as a lump sum)? When I took redundancy in 1977 the terms then were 15 months salary plus 3x pension. The figures look laughable (I got around £10k), but that enabled me to put a 50% deposit on a pretty decent house, not the case with Willard Whites example of £100k.
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The covering letter had a statement of entitlement which was £15,000 less than that which I'd calculated online.
Did you have the opportunity to request the information formally?
I for one would not have been satisfied to have decided my fate with just a random on-line calculator and no written agreement of the lump sum. And I don’t mean any disrespect to you.
As it was, my final lump sum was even bigger than the calculation so I was well happy. Sorry, I am not rubbing in salt. The original figure had not taken into account pay rises etc.
Final question, does anybody remember how many people were involved in “my” 3 tranches of redundancy?
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I thought those redunded got only 6 months pay, if past the ipp?
SRENNAPS.
Whilst understanding your point about making an informed decision on whether to jump or not, I assume that like the vast majority 'Indicating Full' was selected as a none volunteer.
Therefore, as I did, he probably had a quick look online a couple of months ago to get an idea of what he would walk with. Most will be in the same situation. They didn't ask to go.
SRENNAPS.
Whilst understanding your point about making an informed decision on whether to jump or not, I assume that like the vast majority 'Indicating Full' was selected as a none volunteer.
Therefore, as I did, he probably had a quick look online a couple of months ago to get an idea of what he would walk with. Most will be in the same situation. They didn't ask to go.
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Surely you must be mistaken - you will remember (as I do) that the 1975 Redundancy Scheme was proclaimed as "Positively the last Redundancy Scheme the RAF will ever have."
Surely you must be mistaken - you will remember (as I do) that the 1975 Redundancy Scheme was proclaimed as "Positively the last Redundancy Scheme the RAF will ever have."
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Heard an RAF chap on R4 today IC redundancies. He was saying that the RAF would do everything to help those made redundant transition from service life to civilian life.
They even took away my wife's car pass in advance and tried to stop her getting back to the MQ, which was outside the main gate. We hadn't yet moved out.
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Scuttled, I think he did!
My company of 700 has just completed a redundancy of 200 of its’ workforce. 100 took voluntary and 100 got compulsory. Everybody was able to find out how much they would get if it happened. They did not ask to go either, but they made sure they found out!
Oh and by the way, the support I got when I left the RAF (only 4 years ago) was a million times better than the support that my fellow workmates got recently.
I applied and was succesful
Oh and by the way, the support I got when I left the RAF (only 4 years ago) was a million times better than the support that my fellow workmates got recently.
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Many thanks but no need for the apology. Emotions are high and I really feel for all of those that have been given redundancy, whether it be voluntary or compulsory.
Unless you have been through it yourself, you cannot imagine how it feels.
When you open that letter, after nearly thirty years service, and you realise that you have been selected, you honestly don’t know whether to laugh, shout or cry. I did all three and I am not embarrassed to admit that I did cry… big style. It really is a life changing moment and it is a moment in your life when you need the closest friend you have (i.e my wife for me) to be next to you. Unfortunately for me I was the other side of the country for a top table. After I rang her with the news, I spent an hour, on my own, in a room in the Sgt’s Mess, trying to come to terms with what had just happened. It was hard.
I then went on to get completely hammered at the top table with the support of all my friends and colleagues. It truly was a great “Top Table”. And my Top Table a few months later…well that was even better.
I wanted my redundancy because I thought the time was right. I have no regrets and fully enjoy the life that I now live. But I don’t think I will ever stop thinking about what might have been had I stayed in.
One thing though, I cannot imagine what the feeling is for those that got compulsory and truly did not want it. I am gutted for you and to be quite frank it is so wrong.
Cheers and all my best to those involved.
Many thanks but no need for the apology. Emotions are high and I really feel for all of those that have been given redundancy, whether it be voluntary or compulsory.
Unless you have been through it yourself, you cannot imagine how it feels.
When you open that letter, after nearly thirty years service, and you realise that you have been selected, you honestly don’t know whether to laugh, shout or cry. I did all three and I am not embarrassed to admit that I did cry… big style. It really is a life changing moment and it is a moment in your life when you need the closest friend you have (i.e my wife for me) to be next to you. Unfortunately for me I was the other side of the country for a top table. After I rang her with the news, I spent an hour, on my own, in a room in the Sgt’s Mess, trying to come to terms with what had just happened. It was hard.
I then went on to get completely hammered at the top table with the support of all my friends and colleagues. It truly was a great “Top Table”. And my Top Table a few months later…well that was even better.
I wanted my redundancy because I thought the time was right. I have no regrets and fully enjoy the life that I now live. But I don’t think I will ever stop thinking about what might have been had I stayed in.
One thing though, I cannot imagine what the feeling is for those that got compulsory and truly did not want it. I am gutted for you and to be quite frank it is so wrong.
Cheers and all my best to those involved.
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Thank you SRENNAPS for answering Scuttled's question. Yes, I was a volunteer and would have still applied even if the lower figure had come out of the calculator.
SRENNAPPS,
It wasn't just a random calculator I found; it was the official calculator referred to in the redundancy DIN. I know it came with a health warning that the figures might not be completely accurate but an error in the region of 13 per cent is taking the mickey.
You wouldn't believe the run around I've had trying to get answer. PSF referred me to the JPAC who referred me to the RFP who referred me to PSF but the Chf Clk is on leave today so you'll have to ring back Monday.
I wasted the remaindervof the morning trying to book a CTW. The briefing pack said I can apply ASAP but when I rang she said I needed to attend a brief first. I know that my unit resettlement is managed from Lyneham but the lady in the RRC said that Lyneham is closed so you'll have to ring Brize. I ignored that and rang Lyneham. They are open but the lady in the know is on leave this week.
I've never criticised my employer on this forum and I'm not about to start now. I'm sure someone will do it on my behalf.
SRENNAPPS,
It wasn't just a random calculator I found; it was the official calculator referred to in the redundancy DIN. I know it came with a health warning that the figures might not be completely accurate but an error in the region of 13 per cent is taking the mickey.
You wouldn't believe the run around I've had trying to get answer. PSF referred me to the JPAC who referred me to the RFP who referred me to PSF but the Chf Clk is on leave today so you'll have to ring back Monday.
I wasted the remaindervof the morning trying to book a CTW. The briefing pack said I can apply ASAP but when I rang she said I needed to attend a brief first. I know that my unit resettlement is managed from Lyneham but the lady in the RRC said that Lyneham is closed so you'll have to ring Brize. I ignored that and rang Lyneham. They are open but the lady in the know is on leave this week.
I've never criticised my employer on this forum and I'm not about to start now. I'm sure someone will do it on my behalf.
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Indicating Full,
As I said I meant no disrespect to you. It really sounds like things have gone down hill fast since I left 4 years ago. No help from anybody and a run-around from those that are present. Not what you need at this moment in time. It really is a shame, but to be honest I saw the trend developing well before I left. The RAF (and civilian support) are full of them. Its getting worse and I am so glad I had my time when I had it!
Hope it all works out for you. All the best.
As I said I meant no disrespect to you. It really sounds like things have gone down hill fast since I left 4 years ago. No help from anybody and a run-around from those that are present. Not what you need at this moment in time. It really is a shame, but to be honest I saw the trend developing well before I left. The RAF (and civilian support) are full of them. Its getting worse and I am so glad I had my time when I had it!
Hope it all works out for you. All the best.
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The very notion that "Blunt Command" was closed on a day of this magnitude shows just how ****** up we are, the Chief Clerk and his folk should have had open doors all round every station we own 
At this location it was handled about as well as it could be under the circumstances. One to one interviews to which a friend or rep could be brought. All PSF immediately available (literally doors open and everyone sat at their desks ready) along with SSAFA, Padre etc. All Flt/Sqn/Wg Cdrs on station and, again, immediately available.
Did not lessen the impact and, in a couple of cases, complete devastation, but it was as compassionate as it could be.
For the unit that had Admin shut, I would sack the CO.
Did not lessen the impact and, in a couple of cases, complete devastation, but it was as compassionate as it could be.
For the unit that had Admin shut, I would sack the CO.
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I know of three people who, having never deployed in their lives and who proudly sport a Jubilee medal only, applied for an OOA thus protecting them from redundancy. Their plan worked and they got 4 months in some staff tour in Afghan (so far behind the lines that they had to send their washing forward) and survived the 1st Tranch. Lets hope they get discovered tranches 2 & 3.
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IMHO ISK made the best of a crap deal. The Maritime community took a battering - I was going to say decimated, but that implies 1 in 10! It was humbling to see how the news was taken by some of the finest people that I have had the priviledge to work with.
All the best to Mrs Swallox and everyone else who got their marching orders. It has been an honour!
Duncs
All the best to Mrs Swallox and everyone else who got their marching orders. It has been an honour!
Duncs