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Well, I have heard a few names that have got compulsory that have surprised, no - totally amazed me!!!! Don't know how they decided but some bloody good guys (both personally and professionally) got the letter this morning 
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I was not in the bracket but I just want to wish those who are leaving voluntarily the best of luck!
For those pushed, you have my sympathies and I trust you will find a great future out of the RAF.
For those pushed, you have my sympathies and I trust you will find a great future out of the RAF.
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Having just read this thread, I'm really quite shocked by a number of the posts. I'm shocked by the naivety, flippancy and rude tone of a few posts. Comparing what happened today in crewrooms to a schoolgirls common room is, frankly, pathetic.
I know a number of the folks involved today; many were not volunteers and have taken this badly.
And if you (you know who you are) feel like posting, "if you can't take a joke etc", forget it. I've been in the mob for 20 odd years, and I'm presently consoling my non-volunteer partner.
Please have a long hard think before posting what may make a difficult situation worse.
I know a number of the folks involved today; many were not volunteers and have taken this badly.
And if you (you know who you are) feel like posting, "if you can't take a joke etc", forget it. I've been in the mob for 20 odd years, and I'm presently consoling my non-volunteer partner.
Please have a long hard think before posting what may make a difficult situation worse.
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Well, I have heard a few names that have got compulsory that have surprised, no - totally amazed me!!!! Don't know how they decided but some bloody good guys (both personally and professionally) got the letter this morning
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'betty', I don't think there's anything out of order here.
I've done 21 years, 22 when I'll be leaving against my will a year from now. 'Black' humour, and I would opine this thread contains no more than light aircraft grey*, has been part and parcel of military life for an aeon, today is no different.
I'm gutted, but laughter can help the pain.
* © Humbrol
I've done 21 years, 22 when I'll be leaving against my will a year from now. 'Black' humour, and I would opine this thread contains no more than light aircraft grey*, has been part and parcel of military life for an aeon, today is no different.
I'm gutted, but laughter can help the pain.
* © Humbrol
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Thanks for that. Predictable.
If you've done 20 odd years, you'll be entitled to a full pension.
Spare a thought for those who have done half as much, and aren't approaching a pension point, and may have to wait a considerable time for a pension. And the prospect of employment outside may be somewhat daunting...in this economic climate.
I'm all up for humour, however, if you think me suggesting "have a think before you post" is wrong, that's up to you.
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Thanks for that. Predictable.
If you've done 20 odd years, you'll be entitled to a full pension.
Spare a thought for those who have done half as much, and aren't approaching a pension point, and may have to wait a considerable time for a pension. And the prospect of employment outside may be somewhat daunting...in this economic climate.
I'm all up for humour, however, if you think me suggesting "have a think before you post" is wrong, that's up to you.
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Betty, please tell us how anything on here will make things worse?
The forced premature end of what should have been a career until age 55 is devastating for some. How on earth is some humour on a forum going to compare with what was in the envelope this morning.
I'd suggest that anyone with sufficient remaining capacity for being upset by pprune, is not entirely consumed by the redundancy issue.
What exactly is the issue with having to get a job in the real world? You may have noticed that some people are still able to do so. Quality rises to the surface, and the scum floats on the top. Sometimes it is hard to determine what you are looking at, but some people will demonstrate to their next employer, what made them of value to their previous employer. Technical skills may not transfer, but personal skills do.
The forced premature end of what should have been a career until age 55 is devastating for some. How on earth is some humour on a forum going to compare with what was in the envelope this morning.
I'd suggest that anyone with sufficient remaining capacity for being upset by pprune, is not entirely consumed by the redundancy issue.
What exactly is the issue with having to get a job in the real world? You may have noticed that some people are still able to do so. Quality rises to the surface, and the scum floats on the top. Sometimes it is hard to determine what you are looking at, but some people will demonstrate to their next employer, what made them of value to their previous employer. Technical skills may not transfer, but personal skills do.
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I'm really not interested in a slagging match. I'm merely suggesting a bit of sensitivity. That's all.
You misread my post. I'm not suggesting folks aren't willing to work, or get a job. Just that a lot of plans may have been scuppered.
My lady is one of the compulsory redundancies, so we are all too aware of not being consumed by pprune!!
Please take my posts in the spirit they were intended, not as me having a go as a humourless fool!
I'm really not interested in a slagging match. I'm merely suggesting a bit of sensitivity. That's all.
You misread my post. I'm not suggesting folks aren't willing to work, or get a job. Just that a lot of plans may have been scuppered.
My lady is one of the compulsory redundancies, so we are all too aware of not being consumed by pprune!!
Please take my posts in the spirit they were intended, not as me having a go as a humourless fool!
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Spare a thought for those who have done half as much, and aren't approaching a pension point
) who has been dumped on big time - he will be out, not through choice, less than a year before reaching his IPP 
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Are the villages you both reside in next to each other?
You represent them well.
You represent them well.
With the potential for a further 3 tranches in the pipeline, I wonder how anything will get done over the next few years or what effect that this debacle of an SDSR will have on the future capabilities of the RAF and military as a whole?
Whilst the threat of redundancy remains, those that are coming into the bracket or have seen comrades getting compulsory redundancy today, will inevitably adjust their focus to life outside and configure their day-to-day activities accordingly. i.e. you want me to do what as a secondary duty........... sorry no can doo!!
And to add insult to injury, there is a Reserve Commitment for all those with a Blue Letter today!! WTF
Whilst the threat of redundancy remains, those that are coming into the bracket or have seen comrades getting compulsory redundancy today, will inevitably adjust their focus to life outside and configure their day-to-day activities accordingly. i.e. you want me to do what as a secondary duty........... sorry no can doo!!
And to add insult to injury, there is a Reserve Commitment for all those with a Blue Letter today!! WTF
I posted this on the PVR thread, reminds me of Hotel California "You can check out, but you can never leave..."
258. In addition to members of the reserve air forces who are liable to call-out as described above certain officers and former airmen may be recalled for service in the Royal Air Force. The difference from call-out is that they rejoin the Royal Air Force rather than serve in the reserve air forces (sections 65 - 77 and Chapter 2 of AP3392, Vol. 7). Once recalled, they must serve until released.
259. Liability to be recalled for service. Recall applies to any person not serving in the Royal Navy, the Royal Marines, the Army or the Royal Air Force or the reserve forces who:
a. Holds a commission as an officer, or
b. Has served as an airman, is under the age of 55, has not become an officer and it is not more than 18 years since he was discharged or transferred to the reserve (section 66).
260. The provisions of the 1996 Act do not apply to any person who became an officer or enlisted in the Royal Air Force before that Act came into force. Such personnel remain liable to recall under the Reserve Forces Act 1980 unless they have elected to be subject to the new provisions or have re-enlisted, re-engaged or extended their service after that date (s.66(6)).
261. Personnel recalled may be liable to serve anywhere in the world unless when they were last members of the Royal Air Force they were liable to serve only in the United Kingdom or any part of it.
262. Power to authorise recall for national danger, great emergency or attack on the UK. Her Majesty may make a recall Order, signed by the Secretary of State, when it appears to her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen, or in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom. It does not therefore apply to warlike operations, peacekeeping or humanitarian operations.
a. The making of an order must be reported to each House of Parliament immediately. Parliament must assemble within five days if it would not otherwise met.
b. Anyone recalled is entitled to be released (officers) or discharged (airmen) when his aggregate called-out or recalled amounts to three years in the previous six years, although the three years may be extended to five by order. Anyone may agree to serve beyond the set limit.
263. The 1996 Act sets out detailed provisions concerning the recall of personnel, their acceptance into, release and discharge from, service under a recall order.
from the RAF legal Service website at this link (RAF - Page not found).
The 1996 Reserve Forces Act (Reserve Forces Act 1996)
Gives the following authority for recall:
(1) Her Majesty may make an order authorising the recall under this Part of persons to whom section 66 applies—
(a) if it appears to Her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen; or
(b) in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom.
whereas authority to call out the reserves for:
(1) Her Majesty may make an order authorising the call out under this Part of members of a reserve force—
(a) if it appears to Her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen; or
(b) in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom.
or
(1) The Secretary of State may make an order authorising the calling out of members of a reserve force if it appears to him that warlike operations are in preparation or progress.
or
(1) The Secretary of State may make an order authorising the calling out of members of a reserve force if it appears to him that it is necessary or desirable to use armed forces—
(a) on operations outside the United Kingdom for the protection of life or property
259. Liability to be recalled for service. Recall applies to any person not serving in the Royal Navy, the Royal Marines, the Army or the Royal Air Force or the reserve forces who:
a. Holds a commission as an officer, or
b. Has served as an airman, is under the age of 55, has not become an officer and it is not more than 18 years since he was discharged or transferred to the reserve (section 66).
260. The provisions of the 1996 Act do not apply to any person who became an officer or enlisted in the Royal Air Force before that Act came into force. Such personnel remain liable to recall under the Reserve Forces Act 1980 unless they have elected to be subject to the new provisions or have re-enlisted, re-engaged or extended their service after that date (s.66(6)).
261. Personnel recalled may be liable to serve anywhere in the world unless when they were last members of the Royal Air Force they were liable to serve only in the United Kingdom or any part of it.
262. Power to authorise recall for national danger, great emergency or attack on the UK. Her Majesty may make a recall Order, signed by the Secretary of State, when it appears to her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen, or in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom. It does not therefore apply to warlike operations, peacekeeping or humanitarian operations.
a. The making of an order must be reported to each House of Parliament immediately. Parliament must assemble within five days if it would not otherwise met.
b. Anyone recalled is entitled to be released (officers) or discharged (airmen) when his aggregate called-out or recalled amounts to three years in the previous six years, although the three years may be extended to five by order. Anyone may agree to serve beyond the set limit.
263. The 1996 Act sets out detailed provisions concerning the recall of personnel, their acceptance into, release and discharge from, service under a recall order.
from the RAF legal Service website at this link (RAF - Page not found).
The 1996 Reserve Forces Act (Reserve Forces Act 1996)
Gives the following authority for recall:
(1) Her Majesty may make an order authorising the recall under this Part of persons to whom section 66 applies—
(a) if it appears to Her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen; or
(b) in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom.
whereas authority to call out the reserves for:
(1) Her Majesty may make an order authorising the call out under this Part of members of a reserve force—
(a) if it appears to Her that national danger is imminent or that a great emergency has arisen; or
(b) in the event of an actual or apprehended attack on the United Kingdom.
or
(1) The Secretary of State may make an order authorising the calling out of members of a reserve force if it appears to him that warlike operations are in preparation or progress.
or
(1) The Secretary of State may make an order authorising the calling out of members of a reserve force if it appears to him that it is necessary or desirable to use armed forces—
(a) on operations outside the United Kingdom for the protection of life or property
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Were you to happen to fail the RAF Fitness Test in the last couple of months before leaving on redundancy, would they be able to recall you and make use of you?
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Sad day for HM Forces all round. Good luck to those that got what they wanted and even more good luck to those that didn't hopefully one day you can look back and be glad it turned out the way it did.
To those at ISK bidding farewell to us left in blue, enjoy your futures what ever it may bring. It was a honour and pleasure to fly with you (some that is
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To those at ISK bidding farewell to us left in blue, enjoy your futures what ever it may bring. It was a honour and pleasure to fly with you (some that is
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Good luck to all those who got the bad news.
To those who think the world has caved in - it has not. All you are doing is leaving a job and moving onto another phase of your lives. That's it.
It's just a job.
To those who think the world has caved in - it has not. All you are doing is leaving a job and moving onto another phase of your lives. That's it.
It's just a job.
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Re the above and others...
I suggest their are 4 catergories affected
Volunteers....happy as larry
Compulsory, but with pension and payoff....mixed feelings but basically OK
Compulsory, but not long in...shattered at losing their dream, but young enough to get on and use their talents elsewhere.
Compulsory, many years, in but not yet with immediate pension (or whatever the **** you call it now)...if it was you or I in the group how ****ing angry and upset would we be? My heartfelt sympathy lies with this group, so maybe cut them some slack?
Whatever group your in, remember this...
Next time you hear some politician saying anything along the lines of...
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do blah blah etc"
Consider who the fool is. Him/her for saying it; or you for buying it.
I suggest their are 4 catergories affected
Volunteers....happy as larry
Compulsory, but with pension and payoff....mixed feelings but basically OK
Compulsory, but not long in...shattered at losing their dream, but young enough to get on and use their talents elsewhere.
Compulsory, many years, in but not yet with immediate pension (or whatever the **** you call it now)...if it was you or I in the group how ****ing angry and upset would we be? My heartfelt sympathy lies with this group, so maybe cut them some slack?
Whatever group your in, remember this...
Next time you hear some politician saying anything along the lines of...
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do blah blah etc"
Consider who the fool is. Him/her for saying it; or you for buying it.
Spare a thought for the poor souls who have been made redundant at our few remaining overseas locations. If you are in Germany, for example, your transition/resettlement has to be done in-country - or you pay to fly back to the UK. Fine if you want to do a basic plumbing/plastering/brick-laying course with a bunch of young squaddies, but rubbish if you want to follow a professional career.
Then there is all the hassle of getting repatriated to the UK - posted, nominally, to a UK unit, possibly via quarters. Some units are happy for you to simply slope off and get on with your life, others insist that you attend and submit leave passes etc and are given 'projects' to complete within your remaining days in uniform.
And don't start me on with the new, global, Agility Movements contract. Major software problems with the on-line form, abusive staff and a bunch of sub-contractors with the geographical understanding of, well, a mover. Gone are the days of hiring a van and humping and dumping it yourself. Simply not possible. Have I just caused thread drift?
Then there is all the hassle of getting repatriated to the UK - posted, nominally, to a UK unit, possibly via quarters. Some units are happy for you to simply slope off and get on with your life, others insist that you attend and submit leave passes etc and are given 'projects' to complete within your remaining days in uniform.
And don't start me on with the new, global, Agility Movements contract. Major software problems with the on-line form, abusive staff and a bunch of sub-contractors with the geographical understanding of, well, a mover. Gone are the days of hiring a van and humping and dumping it yourself. Simply not possible. Have I just caused thread drift?
While it's a cack situation for those being shown the door who didn't want to go, if you think the military is treating people badly, try finding another employer that would sack people but give them a year's notice and a 9 month salary tax free lump sum.
(with the very significant acknowledgement that you're unlikely to find another employer that might ask you to die for them!)
(with the very significant acknowledgement that you're unlikely to find another employer that might ask you to die for them!)