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Well, I gave back my schilling over a month ago after over a quarter of a century in service. Virtually everyone I spoke to, with a few exceptions, was envious of my decision to leave and were considering it themselves.
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PS Can confirm, colour of grass is a deeper hue of green. But then I'm not in the airlines
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Good luck to everyone PVR'ing. Whilst the grass is known not to be greener, I haven't regretted leaving for a moment, albeit at my 38/16.
People often ask me if I miss the RAF. I always state that I miss the PEOPLE - but not the job. I miss the job I joined, not the job I left. I had a wonderful time, but left at the right time. I can honestly say I don't miss spending most of the year in the desert - or with the threat of deployment to the desert.
There is SO much out here, as long as you take a leap of faith.
You don't regret the things you've done, you regret the things you haven't done.
People often ask me if I miss the RAF. I always state that I miss the PEOPLE - but not the job. I miss the job I joined, not the job I left. I had a wonderful time, but left at the right time. I can honestly say I don't miss spending most of the year in the desert - or with the threat of deployment to the desert.
There is SO much out here, as long as you take a leap of faith.
You don't regret the things you've done, you regret the things you haven't done.
I don't own this space under my name. I should have leased it while I still could
Overtorque, I think you are right, most of us miss the type of people and left at the right time, when ever we left.
Change has been there all the time I was in, the prop transports going. The real fighters going, the bombers going, the cold war ending, numbers declining, bases closing,
New highly capable aircraft, tacevals for war being replaced by war itself
All the time change.
Change has been there all the time I was in, the prop transports going. The real fighters going, the bombers going, the cold war ending, numbers declining, bases closing,
New highly capable aircraft, tacevals for war being replaced by war itself
All the time change.
LOL!
Luverly drift here of what it Was like to what it Is like now.
From what I understand of the Tryphoon and its intricate superior systems, we now have a QRA where the jet itself can just "refuse" to go?
"...wouldn't have happened in my day!"
Luverly drift here of what it Was like to what it Is like now.
From what I understand of the Tryphoon and its intricate superior systems, we now have a QRA where the jet itself can just "refuse" to go?
"...wouldn't have happened in my day!"
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Am I the only one 'a bit miffed' by the wording of the announcement? We have the following options available; return of service, FRI's, pay rises etc - but we've chosen the zero cost option that costs us nothing and screws you over the most..... Clearly I didn't expect them to just start handing out the cash but why dress up the bad news with 'what you could have won'.
Just another example of how in touch they are and ultimately how much they care.
Just another example of how in touch they are and ultimately how much they care.
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From the IBN...
He or she must be a very popular bunny for anonymous calls asking for someone who's name rhymes with clucking anchor...
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Further information can be gained from the appropriate Manning Desk Officer or SO1 JO Aircew and NCA, 95221 XXXX
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Devil's advocate
This latest boost to morale has made me think about the 'new' PVR terms with regards to flying pay. I wonder if anyone has though of a legal challenge to the fact that if you PVR they hold you in employment for a year but reduce your salary drastically...Contrast this with a PAS chap who doen't receive flying pay, but did receive a massive gratuity to stay. If he leaves, no reduction in flying pay, and as long as he's done 5 years, no cash back on the gratuity. Seems largely unfair to me...
And further, if you have top or enhanced rate FP, and a healthy mortgage, plus family commitments, you may not actually be able to afford to resign. This would seem to me to be an infringement of an individuals human rights as you are then held in your employment against your will by essentially a cash trap...Not that I am usually an advocate of such EU bull$h!t but the European Court of Human Rights would surely have a field day with this?
Just my idle musings on a slack friday..
And further, if you have top or enhanced rate FP, and a healthy mortgage, plus family commitments, you may not actually be able to afford to resign. This would seem to me to be an infringement of an individuals human rights as you are then held in your employment against your will by essentially a cash trap...Not that I am usually an advocate of such EU bull$h!t but the European Court of Human Rights would surely have a field day with this?
Just my idle musings on a slack friday..
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FJ2ME:
Just a couple of observations on your musing...
1. Since it is oft stated that FP is there as a tool for retention it will be argued that, once you have PVR'ed, then the lure of the FP has failed and there is no longer any point paying it.
2. There are millions of people worldwide that are in employment that is, for them, a "cash trap".
Just a couple of observations on your musing...
1. Since it is oft stated that FP is there as a tool for retention it will be argued that, once you have PVR'ed, then the lure of the FP has failed and there is no longer any point paying it.
2. There are millions of people worldwide that are in employment that is, for them, a "cash trap".
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...you may not actually be able to afford to resign.
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Manning didn't sack the 170 u/t pilots; the RAF did. I suspect that Manning were commenting that it was perhaps not the most enlightened decision. However, you never know!
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"1. Since it is oft stated that FP is there as a tool for retention it will be argued that, once you have PVR'ed, then the lure of the FP has failed and there is no longer any point paying it."
That also applies to people in their last year till end of commission. Why pay people a retention bonus if they are leaving?
The answer, of course, being that if you started trying that then everybody would resign or stage a coup.
That also applies to people in their last year till end of commission. Why pay people a retention bonus if they are leaving?
The answer, of course, being that if you started trying that then everybody would resign or stage a coup.
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Duncan. In case you missed it, 'manning' represent the RAF. They are all the same to me. Short sighted shysters who are every bit responsible for the upcoming crisis. Career squealing yes men who'd kiss any amount of senior officer puckered butt to get to staff college. There are 170 would be pilots who may have recourse to legal action over the way they have been treated.
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Are they short of SAR pilots yet?
I'm willing to return on LC or FTRS terms at a very attractive price (when compared with spending £2m to train another SK pilot for 5 years RoS).
Iain
Bored with sitting on the ground
I'm willing to return on LC or FTRS terms at a very attractive price (when compared with spending £2m to train another SK pilot for 5 years RoS).
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Bored with sitting on the ground
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I find it most amusing that the tone of comments regarding PVR has remained stable for years whilst the service roller-coaster has forgotten that you have to go up now and again to maintain momentum. Manning will be / are quite draconian in their reponse to PVR for that is exactly what they want. I am unfortunate to be living on a stn that probably has the highest rate of PVR in the RAF at the present time and everybody I have spoken to regarding either PVR or upcoming scheduled exit dates have all said that there is no will whatsoever from Manning to try and change their minds; and these people have jobs that simply will not feature on any redundancy proposals and some have skillsets that will most definately be missed by their peers. In short: The system does not care, so "do-one" if you are going.
FWIW, the inevitable feeling of low value or lack of worth is not one that is shared by the guys and girls left to prop up whats left and there are gaps in operational and training capability inbound that will hurt like hell. For those that go: Bon-Voyage and I sincerely hope that the pastures new and ripe with a tone of green to your liking. For those that stay behind, mines a Stella!
FWIW, the inevitable feeling of low value or lack of worth is not one that is shared by the guys and girls left to prop up whats left and there are gaps in operational and training capability inbound that will hurt like hell. For those that go: Bon-Voyage and I sincerely hope that the pastures new and ripe with a tone of green to your liking. For those that stay behind, mines a Stella!