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Richard Branson makes no secret of how he became a millionaire airline owner. I once saw an interview where his advice was 'first become a billionaire.......then buy an airline'.
Very subtle by Saint Evil but I think the wink at the end was a bit of a Combat Indicator!
Meanwhile, how is the RAF shaping up on the virge of PVR extinction? Has anyone noticed any drastic reshaping to maintain capability? Has anyone lost any leave covering the gaps?
Or is it all quiet waiting for the Tranche 2 outcome? Just interested.
Meanwhile, how is the RAF shaping up on the virge of PVR extinction? Has anyone noticed any drastic reshaping to maintain capability? Has anyone lost any leave covering the gaps?
Or is it all quiet waiting for the Tranche 2 outcome? Just interested.
Yes Sir Richard is an ecellent entrepreneur - but his best piece of luck was the tip off that the Revenue were going to raid so he could remove all the imported records (no VAT paid) from his shop with moments few to spare (see his autobiography). Without this his story would have probably stopped there. Add to the that the suceess of Tubular Bells and hey presto!
I'm afraid you are misinformed. The military is NOT permitted to negotiate on costs or the Terms and Conditions of a contract ... only MoD Commercial Branch does that.
Maybe it's about time we got some professional contract negotiators involved rather than relying on 'enthusiastic amateurs' .
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I see Big Brother has hit the Censor button. Does not change the meaning of my post one iota. Bullies will always be found out, and get their just desserts. People promoted due to their gender, despite lack of ability and very questionable morals, will be revealed for what they are. My original thread remains. Who is the boss you aspire to be? I bet most are hard-pressed to name one. My own experience on an RAF Sqn based in the eastern Med working for a genderally different from me Boss showed that promotion due to sex is an appaling mistake. A Sqn Boss should be honest, capable, moral, a person of integrity, and command the respect of their personnel. This Sqn, at this point in time, was an abject lesson in what happens when this was not the case. One of the lowest points in the RAF's illustrious history. I had the honor of serving under a superb Boss, he fought for his guys, maintained exemplary personal standards, and defined what most on the Sqn wanted to become. He PVR'd as he believed the culture in the RAF would only promote 'yes' men. How right he was.
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3 Tri-Star pilots have Pvr'd and several Herc guys too.
C-17 guys have quite clearly had enough given the constant tasking.
Many Vc10 mates have spent around 6 weeks 'not on Det' this year to date.
And more cuts yet to happen.
At least there is end in sight in Afghanistan and Libya.....
The exodus begins!!
C-17 guys have quite clearly had enough given the constant tasking.
Many Vc10 mates have spent around 6 weeks 'not on Det' this year to date.
And more cuts yet to happen.
At least there is end in sight in Afghanistan and Libya.....
The exodus begins!!
So, did the exodus happen? Or are C17s, VC10s, Tri* & Hercs still flying?
Champagne anyone...?
Lots of us indeed left or are in the process of leaving. The aircraft were never going to stop flying because a chunk of the pilots leave; cracks get papered over, the world turns and it's as if we were never there. Happy days. Your experience may walk out the door but that's not quantifiable on a spreadsheet so has no bearing on anything.
Certain fleets were assisted by the exodus. Crews being sacked because there are no aircraft to keep them current on - a few PVRs frees up yet more flying for the baby captains currently getting by on one trip every other month.
As a historical footnote, my uncle opined this Christmas that my leaving bought to end 84 years of continuous RAF service by my immediate family: grandfather, father then me. As my father then dryly observed, that probably goes some way to explain the shocking state of the RAF today
Certain fleets were assisted by the exodus. Crews being sacked because there are no aircraft to keep them current on - a few PVRs frees up yet more flying for the baby captains currently getting by on one trip every other month.
As a historical footnote, my uncle opined this Christmas that my leaving bought to end 84 years of continuous RAF service by my immediate family: grandfather, father then me. As my father then dryly observed, that probably goes some way to explain the shocking state of the RAF today
Just an observation, but; not ALL of the 'experience' is leaving, SOME of it is. The military is constantly evolving (i.e. shrinking at the moment), PVR is part of the process of allowing people to leave rather than making them redundant. It's interesting that throughout the (short) history of the RAF there are those, e.g. stopstart's Dad, who have and will always describe it as being in a 'shocking state'. They tend to be the same kind of people that read the Daily Mail and rant about everything that exists outside of their own cosy little world.
Many actually choose to stay and adopt a more pragmatic/progressive outlook and approach what is still a rewarding career without the frequently negative viewpoint of the majority who inhabit this forum.
Many actually choose to stay and adopt a more pragmatic/progressive outlook and approach what is still a rewarding career without the frequently negative viewpoint of the majority who inhabit this forum.
Champagne anyone...?
None of my family read the Daily Mail thank you and my father doesn't inhabit a "cosy world". Thank you for your charmingly ill educated assessment though.
It is indeed a rewarding career and I would and do still recommend it to people; I had a superb time and thought I would carry on doing so until I retired. You will, as I did, reach the point however where the horse**** outweighs the good **** - pretty much everyone does. I enjoyed it for nearly 22 years - outlasting 95% of my contemporaries.
You crack on being pragmatic and progressive though - I did. For bloody ages.
It is indeed a rewarding career and I would and do still recommend it to people; I had a superb time and thought I would carry on doing so until I retired. You will, as I did, reach the point however where the horse**** outweighs the good **** - pretty much everyone does. I enjoyed it for nearly 22 years - outlasting 95% of my contemporaries.
You crack on being pragmatic and progressive though - I did. For bloody ages.
StopStart,
Apologies if I hit a raw nerve there, you have every right to be disillusioned.
BTW, ill educated should be hyphenated, 'ill-informed' may have been a more appropriate phrase. I'm not sure the careers office would have said yes had I been ill-educated!
Regards,
LM
Apologies if I hit a raw nerve there, you have every right to be disillusioned.
BTW, ill educated should be hyphenated, 'ill-informed' may have been a more appropriate phrase. I'm not sure the careers office would have said yes had I been ill-educated!
Regards,
LM
StopStart,
Your frustration and slight bitterness does not warrant a dig at me.
For what it's worth, the choice of PA precludes further 'career progression' as far as I'm concerned, despite my grammar Nazi tendencies! I wish you luck outside if that's your choice but, I guarantee, the same issues and people that p*ss you off right now all exist elsewhere. The short-term liberation of PVR'ing is very soon superseded by the dawning realisation that, as part of any corporation, it's very much the same everywhere. If you're very lucky, you'll realise that it's your own state of mind that makes you happy, not the appalling state of x,y or z, or the desire to be doing something 'better'.
LM
Your frustration and slight bitterness does not warrant a dig at me.
For what it's worth, the choice of PA precludes further 'career progression' as far as I'm concerned, despite my grammar Nazi tendencies! I wish you luck outside if that's your choice but, I guarantee, the same issues and people that p*ss you off right now all exist elsewhere. The short-term liberation of PVR'ing is very soon superseded by the dawning realisation that, as part of any corporation, it's very much the same everywhere. If you're very lucky, you'll realise that it's your own state of mind that makes you happy, not the appalling state of x,y or z, or the desire to be doing something 'better'.
LM
Stoppers, the sheer Groundhog Day monotony of supporting the legacy of Bliar's worthless military adventurism must be a key push factor for even the most avid reader of 'King and Country'....
Back in the days when I was teaching you 'aerobation', a whole variety of military aviation roles was available to the brave young aviator / aviatrix. Surprisingly, I found 3 years of child abuse at a UAS to be quite fun, thanks to the people we trained - but even that's gone now. I had an e-mail from a TriShaw mate yesterday who's finally banging out to fly for Sir Dickie B's lot. Five years of nothing but flogging back and forth to the North West Frontier was the final straw....the days of Calgary etc. seemed a distant memory. Who can blame him? It seems that, these days, some of the RAF's AT captains have never even operated across the Atlantic...
As for what RW people will consider to be a 'rewarding career' once the UK is no longer licking Spam bottom in support of invading other peoples' countries, I cannot really imagine.
By the way, how goes 't clog and whippet language course? Can you recite Albert and 't Lion without error yet?
Back in the days when I was teaching you 'aerobation', a whole variety of military aviation roles was available to the brave young aviator / aviatrix. Surprisingly, I found 3 years of child abuse at a UAS to be quite fun, thanks to the people we trained - but even that's gone now. I had an e-mail from a TriShaw mate yesterday who's finally banging out to fly for Sir Dickie B's lot. Five years of nothing but flogging back and forth to the North West Frontier was the final straw....the days of Calgary etc. seemed a distant memory. Who can blame him? It seems that, these days, some of the RAF's AT captains have never even operated across the Atlantic...
As for what RW people will consider to be a 'rewarding career' once the UK is no longer licking Spam bottom in support of invading other peoples' countries, I cannot really imagine.
By the way, how goes 't clog and whippet language course? Can you recite Albert and 't Lion without error yet?
BEagle,
I'm not entirely sure what your point is aside from the fact that, if you're not happy, get out. It has ever been thus.
A rewarding career is not necessarily related to a diversity of flying tasks (although this helps) and it certainly does not require involvement in Operations in support of Uncle Sam.
At all levels it relies on an individual's belief in what he or she is doing is worthwhile. That applies to anybody, military or civilian, in all walks of life. We all have stories to recount of 'better' times but they are somewhat irrelevant. Indeed, there was always somebody during those better times that would get on their soap box and declare that everything was sh*t and recount their own story of better times. Unfortunately their voice was (and still is) often the loudest.
It's nice that this forum provides an opportunity for the serial whiners to air their grievances. I only wish that those more positive (I know you're out there!) would post more often.
LM
I'm not entirely sure what your point is aside from the fact that, if you're not happy, get out. It has ever been thus.
A rewarding career is not necessarily related to a diversity of flying tasks (although this helps) and it certainly does not require involvement in Operations in support of Uncle Sam.
At all levels it relies on an individual's belief in what he or she is doing is worthwhile. That applies to anybody, military or civilian, in all walks of life. We all have stories to recount of 'better' times but they are somewhat irrelevant. Indeed, there was always somebody during those better times that would get on their soap box and declare that everything was sh*t and recount their own story of better times. Unfortunately their voice was (and still is) often the loudest.
It's nice that this forum provides an opportunity for the serial whiners to air their grievances. I only wish that those more positive (I know you're out there!) would post more often.
LM
llamaman,
"....StopStart,
Your frustration and slight bitterness does not warrant a dig at me.
...."
So what warrants your "dig" at Stopstart's dad? A person you have never met. Perhaps you don't consider that your comments constituted a dig.
For what it is worth, I thought it obvious that Stoppers comments were very tongue in cheek........
"....StopStart,
Your frustration and slight bitterness does not warrant a dig at me.
...."
So what warrants your "dig" at Stopstart's dad? A person you have never met. Perhaps you don't consider that your comments constituted a dig.
For what it is worth, I thought it obvious that Stoppers comments were very tongue in cheek........