PVRs started.....
Champagne anyone...?
Manning are well aware of this and to be honest this isn't new "news". BA opened general DE non TR pilot recruiting last month.
I think all those that are going to go have gone or are in the process of going. I'd be surprised if an article in the DT based on 2 month old news is going to have any additional impact on pilot manning in the RAF.
I think all those that are going to go have gone or are in the process of going. I'd be surprised if an article in the DT based on 2 month old news is going to have any additional impact on pilot manning in the RAF.
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Manning were certainly aware of the BA recruitment campaign prior to its general release due to an apparent reneging on a "deal" wrt managed path. The numbers required from both managed path and DEP have been kept somewhat quiet by BA due to the fact the business plan needed ratification.
Whilst I agree that, in the short term, those who are eligible to go are in the process of doing so, the unknown quantity will be how many will be tempted by the numbers required vs staying in for an uncertain future. The boom / bust phenomenon continues and most people are acutely aware that its better to make the jump on the upward turn as opposed to just before the bust.
Not sure this will influence the majority but it will influence some to leave and those figures have not been accounted for by manning.
Interesting times.
Whilst I agree that, in the short term, those who are eligible to go are in the process of doing so, the unknown quantity will be how many will be tempted by the numbers required vs staying in for an uncertain future. The boom / bust phenomenon continues and most people are acutely aware that its better to make the jump on the upward turn as opposed to just before the bust.
Not sure this will influence the majority but it will influence some to leave and those figures have not been accounted for by manning.
Interesting times.
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Airlines recruiting sure isn't going to help manning's job.
Nor is the short-sighted decision to axe 170 student pilots and close recruiting pilot for 12 months. Holding JO pilots to 12-months on PVR is clutching at straws. We are set for some interesting times.
Nor is the short-sighted decision to axe 170 student pilots and close recruiting pilot for 12 months. Holding JO pilots to 12-months on PVR is clutching at straws. We are set for some interesting times.
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Manning want to be concerned with all the other airlines recruiting at the moment too, not least those in the middle and far east. Emirates alone have 90 A380 on order and other airlines are actively seeking experience. If you are willing to move abroad then there is plenty to do out there...
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Me too
The RAAF definately isn't the RAF...far from it....but the pay, allowances and distance from the beach can't be beaten!!!!!!!!! and the locals are friendly plus numerous blue sky days, its a "no brainer!"...oh and the wine and petrol are cheap as chips!!!
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Didn't your parents teach you that it not nice to mock the afflicted?
Now play nicely and don't tease.
any gen as to whether the RAAF are opening up the numbers/options for parallel recruiting?
Didn't your parents teach you that it not nice to mock the afflicted?
Now play nicely and don't tease.
any gen as to whether the RAAF are opening up the numbers/options for parallel recruiting?
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Rumours....rumours!
Well with the addition of a 5th C-17 and maybe a 6th....more A300's, more Wedgetails, C-27 Spartans......??? They should open recruiting...but then that would be common dog!!!
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I understand that lateral recruitment is at a standstill at the moment, certainly in the 'Maritime trades'. That is not to say that this will not change in the future.
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.I understand that lateral recruitment is at a standstill at the moment, certainly in the 'Maritime trades'. That is not to say that this will not change in the future.
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BA cadets and QSPs
I put this on the thread re BA recruitment, but it belongs here as well.
This BA recruitment phase will, I think, be a double Whammy for the MOD. Not only will front-line operators, who have a significant amount of experience, be leaving to join as part of the 400 First Officer slots. But we also have a number of students in the training pipeline who have seen a recent cull amongst their colleagues, and are hearing rumours of what the next phase will entail. They have seen a significant number of those who were cut, being offered Cadetships with Cathay. So with the BA recruitment push with 400 Cadetships on offer, you can't blame the guys for considering their options, and if I was 22 again and part way through an ever restricting training pipeline I know which option I would be taking....!
I spoke a week or two ago with an AMP briefing team member who told me that the increase in PVRs was only a PPRUNE rumour, I was able to quote him the names of 7 colleagues who had PVRd in the past 10 days. However he was having none of it, and this was before the BA announcement. You just couldn't make it up.....
This BA recruitment phase will, I think, be a double Whammy for the MOD. Not only will front-line operators, who have a significant amount of experience, be leaving to join as part of the 400 First Officer slots. But we also have a number of students in the training pipeline who have seen a recent cull amongst their colleagues, and are hearing rumours of what the next phase will entail. They have seen a significant number of those who were cut, being offered Cadetships with Cathay. So with the BA recruitment push with 400 Cadetships on offer, you can't blame the guys for considering their options, and if I was 22 again and part way through an ever restricting training pipeline I know which option I would be taking....!
I spoke a week or two ago with an AMP briefing team member who told me that the increase in PVRs was only a PPRUNE rumour, I was able to quote him the names of 7 colleagues who had PVRd in the past 10 days. However he was having none of it, and this was before the BA announcement. You just couldn't make it up.....
Perhaps the ex-Iraqi Information Minister Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (better known as 'Comical Ali') has been hired as a consultant to the AMP Briefing Team?
The last PVR list (July) I saw had a mixed bag of names and roles. Something like 4 from the instructor world, 3 from Harrier, 3 from C17, 2 from C130, 1 Shadow, 2 GR4, 1 Red Arrow, 3 Tristar, 2 CH47 etc etc. Not the exact numbers I grant you but it was a fair spread of exits rather than an exodus from a particular fleet. Quite different from what you would garner from this forum.
That said when pilots vote with their feet it tends to be at option points and I do wonder how many are leaving by this route that we would normally expect to retain.
That said when pilots vote with their feet it tends to be at option points and I do wonder how many are leaving by this route that we would normally expect to retain.
hudjunkie,
Perhaps you should have asked the AMP briefing team member why, if there had been no noticeable increase in PVRs, they had increased the pilot PVR waiting time from 6 to 12 months recently?
Perhaps you should have asked the AMP briefing team member why, if there had been no noticeable increase in PVRs, they had increased the pilot PVR waiting time from 6 to 12 months recently?
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I did exactly that, the reply was the increase to 12 months was simply one of the various "levers" available to control outflow and experience levels. I was very careful to not shoot the messenger, i.e its not the fault of AMP briefing Team if they arent fully informed, but I did point out that it is crucial that AMP have an accurate picture if he is to be running our Manning picture and not just reacting to it...
JTO, the 7 I mention are from one fleet, 1 Sqn Ldr pre 38, 2 PA Flt Lts, 4 Flt Lts pre 38. Not sure if the Stats you have seen are the same ones that the AMP guys work from, but these are 7 people I know. Not sure what else I can say on that matter...
I did exactly that, the reply was the increase to 12 months was simply one of the various "levers" available to control outflow and experience levels. I was very careful to not shoot the messenger, i.e its not the fault of AMP briefing Team if they arent fully informed, but I did point out that it is crucial that AMP have an accurate picture if he is to be running our Manning picture and not just reacting to it...
JTO, the 7 I mention are from one fleet, 1 Sqn Ldr pre 38, 2 PA Flt Lts, 4 Flt Lts pre 38. Not sure if the Stats you have seen are the same ones that the AMP guys work from, but these are 7 people I know. Not sure what else I can say on that matter...
Good luck to all that are leaving..... The offer from BA should be too much for the fence sitters and I would expect many more to leave with offers like these. Alas the Airforce will lose some very experienced folk and it will be nothing like the Airfoce I joined or even the one that I left after 26 years in 96.
...the 7 I mention are from one fleet, 1 Sqn Ldr pre 38, 2 PA Flt Lts, 4 Flt Lts pre 38. Not sure if the Stats you have seen are the same ones that the AMP guys work from, but these are 7 people I know