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Kinds confirms what many engineers have said for years, when the pilots start pulling the black and yellow then times have reached and all time low.
In 21 years I have never seen it as bad as this...
In 21 years I have never seen it as bad as this...
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Ps. How can the higher ups think the Air Force is anything but utterly broken and moral in freefall when they are using PVR waiting times and zero flying pay as a stick?
There are many other valid points that have been raised, but don't forget .... I believe that many of the PVR guys (who have already completed their initial commission) were merely waiting for the right time to leave!
Time to chill & let the dust settle, the true impact will only be known in a year
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RumPunch, you characterized the discussion i had this evening with a couple of serving chums. each and every one has a fall back in case it all goes sour. looking back say 10 years, we all knew someone who was "Mr RAF". The person who was determined to stay in, loved service life and was in it for the long-haul. Everyone had their gripes, but you could always find one person who was happy to be part of the mess furniture. I'm not sure I could find that man now (unless someone gives me Mr C Hinecap's address - jk), certainly not amongst my associates.
I guess it's a symptom of a perceived decline in loyalty from the top (meaning Government). Sobering times indeed
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I guess it's a symptom of a perceived decline in loyalty from the top (meaning Government). Sobering times indeed
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I suspect that Bristol Ground School would have some interesting stats for Service people applying to do the Mil Bridging Package for thier ATPL(A)/(H)s.
I agree with many of the other posters in that I have never seen it this bad in terms of 'conchy' chat - almost everyone I know well in the pilot world (and that includes several 'Mr RAF' types) is discussing leaving, either on PVR or at their next option. It seems we may not have much of an RAF left soon anyway!
I agree with many of the other posters in that I have never seen it this bad in terms of 'conchy' chat - almost everyone I know well in the pilot world (and that includes several 'Mr RAF' types) is discussing leaving, either on PVR or at their next option. It seems we may not have much of an RAF left soon anyway!
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"I suspect that Bristol Ground School would have some interesting stats for Service people applying to do the Mil Bridging Package for thier ATPL(A)/(H)s."
I was at their sister org (Bristol Flying College) doing my CPL/IR recently (I can highly recommend them if anyone is thinking of that route, I passed first time!). I bumped into one of the Groundschool Instructors who said that there was a whole course (11 people?) from Valley just starting the Mil Bridging Package.
I was at their sister org (Bristol Flying College) doing my CPL/IR recently (I can highly recommend them if anyone is thinking of that route, I passed first time!). I bumped into one of the Groundschool Instructors who said that there was a whole course (11 people?) from Valley just starting the Mil Bridging Package.
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To all thinking of PVRing but yet to get a licence could I please remind you that the licencing rules change Apr 2012 to EASA. I believe a Sqn Ldr + Flt Lt combo are currently swamped by a CAA requirement for a full training needs analysis to match the current bridging package with any potential new scheme post the change.
As I understand it (Beags pse comment) THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT POST APR 12 MIL PILOTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO GET AN ATPL AS PER THE CURRENT BRIDGING PACKAGE.
I don't wish to add unnecessary angst in troubled times. However, as a current airline pilot (ex-mil) who has helped out at recent employment fairs and seminars I have heard several different trg organisations raising concerns over the issue. I am not affiliated to any such organisation and I don't believe they were scaremongering to raise trade. Bottom line is nobody at the moment knows what will happen to your system under EASA.
If it were me I would get the green book in my sticky mit asap. Good luck.
As I understand it (Beags pse comment) THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES THAT POST APR 12 MIL PILOTS WILL CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO GET AN ATPL AS PER THE CURRENT BRIDGING PACKAGE.
I don't wish to add unnecessary angst in troubled times. However, as a current airline pilot (ex-mil) who has helped out at recent employment fairs and seminars I have heard several different trg organisations raising concerns over the issue. I am not affiliated to any such organisation and I don't believe they were scaremongering to raise trade. Bottom line is nobody at the moment knows what will happen to your system under EASA.
If it were me I would get the green book in my sticky mit asap. Good luck.
The current system ends on 7 Apr 2012, so I sincerely hope that 22Gp will produce their conversion report proposals PDQ.....
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/f-FAQJ...%20paperv4.pdf FAQ no 29 gives the CAA's current position.
EASA part-FCL requires Member States to give due recognition for knowledge, skill and experience gained in military service, just as JAR-FCL did. However, whereas back then there was a joint MoD/CAA Working Group involved, nowadays there's hardly anyone left at the CAA who would even recognise an aircraft - and even those who are still there are maxxed out with other matters. Hence the ball is firmly in the RAF's court - if nothing is done then even more people will simply not bother to wait for their 2000TT/1500PIC point and will just do the exams and pull the B&Y.
For which the RAF would only have itself to blame.
It will be interesting to see whether the years of progressive dumbing down of theoretical knowledge instruction in Learning Command will now bite the RAF on the bum....
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/620/f-FAQJ...%20paperv4.pdf FAQ no 29 gives the CAA's current position.
EASA part-FCL requires Member States to give due recognition for knowledge, skill and experience gained in military service, just as JAR-FCL did. However, whereas back then there was a joint MoD/CAA Working Group involved, nowadays there's hardly anyone left at the CAA who would even recognise an aircraft - and even those who are still there are maxxed out with other matters. Hence the ball is firmly in the RAF's court - if nothing is done then even more people will simply not bother to wait for their 2000TT/1500PIC point and will just do the exams and pull the B&Y.
For which the RAF would only have itself to blame.
It will be interesting to see whether the years of progressive dumbing down of theoretical knowledge instruction in Learning Command will now bite the RAF on the bum....
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As a rumour service - is the whisper of 1000+ BA pilots required over the next few years true????
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We The Willing, led by The Unknowing, commanded by The Uncaring, are tasked do the impossible for The Ungrateful. Doing more and more with less and less, we have done so much with so little for so long, that we are now capable of doing everything with nothing...
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1000+ BA pilots required over the next few years
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Thank you 2Planks I needed a laugh. Wot personnel are they referring to there will no one left apart from the types who come out with this twaddle. Should really be posting this on the Friday Jokes thread:
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...c02534493a.pdf
http://www.raf.mod.uk/rafcms/mediafi...c02534493a.pdf
11 QFI's? From where?
Re. the above..when I told a colleague recently that you can't polish a turd...he replied, '..ahhhh yes, but you can always roll it in glitter!'
Priceless!
Re. the above..when I told a colleague recently that you can't polish a turd...he replied, '..ahhhh yes, but you can always roll it in glitter!'
Priceless!
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'sidewayspeak' earlier in the forum said that it... "Makes me angry that MOD think they can hold us for 12 months when they have changed the rules such that post-2013 they can make us redundant with just 3 months notice"
Is this legal? It does appear to be an inequitable 'contract' where it is definitely to the advantage of the employer (the MoD) with nothing in it for the employee. Are there any examples of similar clauses/ conditions in other industries being successfully challenged in a civilian court?
Is this legal? It does appear to be an inequitable 'contract' where it is definitely to the advantage of the employer (the MoD) with nothing in it for the employee. Are there any examples of similar clauses/ conditions in other industries being successfully challenged in a civilian court?
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Apologies if this has already been mentioned in an earlier reply:
Am no legal beagle, but has anyone considered 'Constructive Dismissal'?
As I understand, it is an enormous grey area but stems from any case whereby:
'The employee has reached a point that an irreconcileable breakdown of Employer/Employee trust has occurred'
Don't just a few of the gripes/points raised so far constitute a 'breakdown of trust' and, as such, aren't they arguable in a legal sense??
I reckon a decent Employment Lawyer would have a field day in an ET.....
Just a thought.....
Am no legal beagle, but has anyone considered 'Constructive Dismissal'?
As I understand, it is an enormous grey area but stems from any case whereby:
'The employee has reached a point that an irreconcileable breakdown of Employer/Employee trust has occurred'
Don't just a few of the gripes/points raised so far constitute a 'breakdown of trust' and, as such, aren't they arguable in a legal sense??
I reckon a decent Employment Lawyer would have a field day in an ET.....
Just a thought.....