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Congratulations to Kate and Wills! Best wishes for them. I really like this couple. The memories of Princess Diana are being relived especially since the couple broke their silence on their engagement. I am reminded of Princess Di's dedication to help the people. She is one remarkable woman. I just hope that this marriage will not have the same fate as that of Wills' parents.
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. Yes, it will cost the tax-payer a fortune but yes, the income from tourism and media rights will go cosmic.
Perhaps we should have a push to buy only English Wedding tat.....
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Old news... announced last year, suspended by the new PM, now re-announced as if it was his idea.
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who pays...
Considering that the Crown Estates (which were given by the royal family to the UK people/Govt) earn 100's of millions a year for the govt/british people, and are worth billions in asset value; the payment of the tiny civil list (40M - of which most goes on salaries of staff - good for jobs, and maintaining palaces - good for heritage) and perhaps the odd 10/20 mil here and there for a wedding is pretty insignificant....
Or perhaps the govt could swap it back - no more civil list/public money on protection etc of royals, and the royal family get the crown estates back to spend as they see fit.....
I personally hope they have a huge wedding that everyone can enjoy/feel proud of. Best wishes to them.
Or perhaps the govt could swap it back - no more civil list/public money on protection etc of royals, and the royal family get the crown estates back to spend as they see fit.....
I personally hope they have a huge wedding that everyone can enjoy/feel proud of. Best wishes to them.
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Probably not the forum for this kind of thread but here goes...
Crown estates land etc would belong to the nation if we were a republic. We have a strange kind of monarchy really, one that is protected by the state, not in the historical sense of by themselves or their supporters. They have over the years accumilated these estates by deed foul or fair...not that anyone else has the might or the pockets to challenge them. We see now a Monarchy whose sole purpose is Commercial gain....their Tax evasion is monumental and the special privilage given to the junior members is one you would fight against if it were your child being penalised to make way for them. They don't survive on merit, they can't because you cannot undo a 1000 years of robbery, but shall we at least let them stand their own wedding doo and not rub our noses in their thrice name changed greco/german bloodline.
That's better...
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Crown estates land etc would belong to the nation if we were a republic. We have a strange kind of monarchy really, one that is protected by the state, not in the historical sense of by themselves or their supporters. They have over the years accumilated these estates by deed foul or fair...not that anyone else has the might or the pockets to challenge them. We see now a Monarchy whose sole purpose is Commercial gain....their Tax evasion is monumental and the special privilage given to the junior members is one you would fight against if it were your child being penalised to make way for them. They don't survive on merit, they can't because you cannot undo a 1000 years of robbery, but shall we at least let them stand their own wedding doo and not rub our noses in their thrice name changed greco/german bloodline.
That's better...
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Oh do come off the fence 5d2d and tell us what you really think ...
Problem with a republic is you need a President, and looking at those countries who have presidents - they don't come cheap! Don't think many would go on the 'bus/tube or live in council flats ....
And I can't think of any whose grandson's engagement would make the world's front pages .....
(and give some Stokies their jobs back (see my previous post #42)
Problem with a republic is you need a President, and looking at those countries who have presidents - they don't come cheap! Don't think many would go on the 'bus/tube or live in council flats ....
And I can't think of any whose grandson's engagement would make the world's front pages .....
(and give some Stokies their jobs back (see my previous post #42)
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sounding just a little bit bitter there that you aren't in said family...
Couldnt disagree more with you, but agree not the forum to do this.
Good luck to them on their wedding, and long may we keep our royal family.
Couldnt disagree more with you, but agree not the forum to do this.
Good luck to them on their wedding, and long may we keep our royal family.
Here's an exercise in logic for you:
The present government (a mixture of Conservatives and Liberals) believe that, as students reap financial benefits from obtaining a degree then they should help to fund said degree. Labour agree with the concept, but differ in how payment should be made.... So, all the major UK political parties agree with the concept that, if you reap the reward then you should help with the costs.
Now, lets look at the royal wedding. The country as a whole is estimated to profit (in terms of tourism, goods sold, etc) by somewhere between £600M and £1Bn as a result of the wedding. Given that the country is going to profit, using the logic above, then the country (for which read the government) should contribute to the costs of the wedding......simples!!
The present government (a mixture of Conservatives and Liberals) believe that, as students reap financial benefits from obtaining a degree then they should help to fund said degree. Labour agree with the concept, but differ in how payment should be made.... So, all the major UK political parties agree with the concept that, if you reap the reward then you should help with the costs.
Now, lets look at the royal wedding. The country as a whole is estimated to profit (in terms of tourism, goods sold, etc) by somewhere between £600M and £1Bn as a result of the wedding. Given that the country is going to profit, using the logic above, then the country (for which read the government) should contribute to the costs of the wedding......simples!!
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We see now a Monarchy whose sole purpose is Commercial gain....their Tax evasion is monumental
Very well done & many congratulations Willis & Kate, go for it, do your own thing & forget all those supposed Royal experts out there!
Wonder just possibly if HMthe Q as a wedding present, may abdicate in favour of Wills thus by passing his father, I know which of them would get my vote!
Wonder just possibly if HMthe Q as a wedding present, may abdicate in favour of Wills thus by passing his father, I know which of them would get my vote!
Wonder just possibly if HM the Q as a wedding present, may abdicate in favour of Wills thus by passing his father, I know which of them would get my vote!
btw King Harald of Norway is 65th in line of succession to the British throne. Not a lot of people know that!
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The mistake that 500days is making is assuming that the crown estate belongs to the sovereign ..... Not the case..... The crown estate is NOT the property of the royal family or the sovereign but it belongs to the crown
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Looking through this
The Crown Estate Annual Report 2010: Overview
HM gives more than she takes.
Worth every penny, I say, but discussion not for this thread, perhaps.
The Crown Estate Annual Report 2010: Overview
HM gives more than she takes.
Worth every penny, I say, but discussion not for this thread, perhaps.
Okay, I'm going to be a bit provocative here. However, I've thought this for a while and it follows on from posts 50 & 51, which alluded to the following in a rather light hearted way. However, I believe we are heading for a constitutional crisis.
Her Majesty the Queen's now 84, Prince Charles is 62. Let's say the Queen reigns for another fifteen years, of which there's every every chance, based on her Mother's longevity. That would make Prince Charles 77, and Camilla round the same age, an old, self confessed adulterous and to be honest not particularly attractive couple.
In contrast we'll have William and Kate, late thirties in age, attractive, untainted by scandal (we trust), most likely a lovely young brood of kids, successful, well liked, popular (not just in this country but throughout the world) and in the prime of their lives.
JUST WHO DO WE THINK THE COUNTRY'S GOING TO WANT ON THE THRONE?
Okay, I know there's the proper line of succession, etc. But here's my thesis. I think the country will speak. There'll be such an upsurge in favour of William succeeding over his Father that Prince Charles will find it very difficult to accede to the throne, especially when sitting with him will be Camilla.
Set against that, of course, is the fact that Prince Charles doesn't really give a flying **** what the people think. I still think he'll be crowned as a face saver, but will reign a max five years before handing over.
But I think it's a possibility that the Monarchy and the Church of England need to start developing some strategies to cope with now.
Her Majesty the Queen's now 84, Prince Charles is 62. Let's say the Queen reigns for another fifteen years, of which there's every every chance, based on her Mother's longevity. That would make Prince Charles 77, and Camilla round the same age, an old, self confessed adulterous and to be honest not particularly attractive couple.
In contrast we'll have William and Kate, late thirties in age, attractive, untainted by scandal (we trust), most likely a lovely young brood of kids, successful, well liked, popular (not just in this country but throughout the world) and in the prime of their lives.
JUST WHO DO WE THINK THE COUNTRY'S GOING TO WANT ON THE THRONE?
Okay, I know there's the proper line of succession, etc. But here's my thesis. I think the country will speak. There'll be such an upsurge in favour of William succeeding over his Father that Prince Charles will find it very difficult to accede to the throne, especially when sitting with him will be Camilla.
Set against that, of course, is the fact that Prince Charles doesn't really give a flying **** what the people think. I still think he'll be crowned as a face saver, but will reign a max five years before handing over.
But I think it's a possibility that the Monarchy and the Church of England need to start developing some strategies to cope with now.
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Originally Posted by CelineP
Congratulations to Kate and Wills! Best wishes for them. I really like this couple. The memories of Princess Diana are being relived especially since the couple broke their silence on their engagement. I am reminded of Princess Di's dedication to help the people. She is one remarkable woman. I just hope that this marriage will not have the same fate as that of Wills' parents.
Charles and Diana met in July 1980, and the engagement was made 7 months later.
William and Kate have been together as friends for about 8 years, and have dated for 7 of those.
Charles never wanted to marry Diana... he admitted in a taped interview that he only went through with it because of strong pressure from his father. Before the wedding he allegedly told a friend "I don't love her, but she has the best qualities".
William and Kate have stayed together despite deliberate efforts of Palace functionaries to break them up.
Charles maintained contact with Camilla during the engagement, which caused Diana severe distress.
William and Kate tried to go their separate ways (3 years ago), but couldn't stand not being together.
I believe William and Kate's marriage is on a far, far stronger foundation, and is built of far superior material, than that of Charles and Diana.
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I'll add another difference that I think will become evident.
I think if the "Palace functionaries" start to push too hard,
they will be quietly put in place or "moved on" to other things,
regardless of standing or years of service.
This is partly because William is stronger than his father and
won't be afraid to invoke "the past" to remind them what happened
last time.
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I think if the "Palace functionaries" start to push too hard,
they will be quietly put in place or "moved on" to other things,
regardless of standing or years of service.
This is partly because William is stronger than his father and
won't be afraid to invoke "the past" to remind them what happened
last time.
.
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The Prince of Wales will be the next monarch. That's because it is a monarchy not a democracy. This isn't X Factor - you can't vote him off.... The monarchy is not a popularity contest ( ask George the third) ..... once Prince Charles is crowned then there will be another investiture as William is invested as the Prince of Wales and Kate will be Princess of Wales..... that's the way it works..... That's the law and only the monarchy can change the law Unlikely