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In the sixties everyone in certain trades had to watch several "security" films every year and receive a lecture from the P&SS people. The P&SS people got very upset when everyone in the room had seen the films 20 or 30 times, knew the film scripts off by heart and enjoyed speaking along with the actors on the screen; other tactics to enliven these events included treating the film as a pantomime, complete with booing the "baddies", cheering the "heros" along with sharp intakes of breath and calls of "he's behind you" at appropriate moments.
The main lesson for everyone was that familiarity breeds contempt when handling highly sensitive material. Examples of this were senior officers leaving classified material in their car while they went shopping or leaving their briefcase on the train.
The main lesson for everyone was that familiarity breeds contempt when handling highly sensitive material. Examples of this were senior officers leaving classified material in their car while they went shopping or leaving their briefcase on the train.
Still happening - in the police at least.
Top policeman who lost secret files should be sacked, says disciplinary hearing
I'll bet a quid to a squashed sausage that the careless copper gets away with his pension intact. Probably be working as a civvy security consultant before the year is out.
Top policeman who lost secret files should be sacked, says disciplinary hearing
I'll bet a quid to a squashed sausage that the careless copper gets away with his pension intact. Probably be working as a civvy security consultant before the year is out.
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The Harrier FS film with Richard O,Sullivan was ‘Flight Safety Nothing to do with Me’ (1973) The Wg Cdr Spry IFS type who did the summing up was Nicholas Courtney (who was Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart in Doctor Who).
The Security Film set at Wittering with the hitch-hiking clerk was ‘Open Secret’ (1973).
Another FS film with people off the TV was ‘Oversight’ (1976), with Trevor Eve as a Phantom Pilot and Michael Sheard (who was Mr Bronson in Grange Hill), as an overloaded C/T.
Frustrations has been made twice, the 60s one was a Javelin crew trying to get back to UK from the Far East.
The 70s one was a Jaguar Sqn Exec who (after lots of triv to deal with), goes flying, has an engine failure on take-off and can’t clear the external stores due to missed switch selections.
All the video resources that used to be in training and crew rooms, the first Sqn I joined had a mountain of UMatic tapes with ‘I Serve The Soviet Union’ recorded off air; fantastic for WP Target Reccie. Lots of FS videos too.
Crew rooms today have little or none. The TV in the corner will have Homes Under The Hammer on or even worse Jeremy Kyle.
At least there’s always Recignition Journal or Air Clues out monthly........oh no, that’s all gone too.
Just piles of unread Pathfinder Mag and as for RAF News, that isn’t even any good for starting a BBQ .
The Security Film set at Wittering with the hitch-hiking clerk was ‘Open Secret’ (1973).
Another FS film with people off the TV was ‘Oversight’ (1976), with Trevor Eve as a Phantom Pilot and Michael Sheard (who was Mr Bronson in Grange Hill), as an overloaded C/T.
Frustrations has been made twice, the 60s one was a Javelin crew trying to get back to UK from the Far East.
The 70s one was a Jaguar Sqn Exec who (after lots of triv to deal with), goes flying, has an engine failure on take-off and can’t clear the external stores due to missed switch selections.
All the video resources that used to be in training and crew rooms, the first Sqn I joined had a mountain of UMatic tapes with ‘I Serve The Soviet Union’ recorded off air; fantastic for WP Target Reccie. Lots of FS videos too.
Crew rooms today have little or none. The TV in the corner will have Homes Under The Hammer on or even worse Jeremy Kyle.
At least there’s always Recignition Journal or Air Clues out monthly........oh no, that’s all gone too.
Just piles of unread Pathfinder Mag and as for RAF News, that isn’t even any good for starting a BBQ .
My wife had a bit part in the Richard O,Sullivan film, like to see her again as a 18yr old!
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Still happening - in the police at least.
Top policeman who lost secret files should be sacked, says disciplinary hearing
I'll bet a quid to a squashed sausage that the careless copper gets away with his pension intact. Probably be working as a civvy security consultant before the year is out.
Top policeman who lost secret files should be sacked, says disciplinary hearing
I'll bet a quid to a squashed sausage that the careless copper gets away with his pension intact. Probably be working as a civvy security consultant before the year is out.
Following this thread i ran out (sat down and turned on the computer) and bought them, all on Amazon for an absolute pittance.
Unless I hit the cutting room floor, then im in the JENGO film. Wonder how long my hair was. Anyway, Grabbed the popcorn and watched 'Nothing To Do With Me' - was astonished at people being allowed to picnic and gather mushrooms at the side of a taxiway.
If you were a WRAF in the 1970s, then let me offer you my respect in light of the astonishing 70's misogyny that sees Airmen guilty of dereliction of duty and an WRAF Steward who was guilty of not smiling at breakfast placed in the same bucket.
I also had a chuckle when reminded of one stint as Duty Airman at St Mawgan 1980-ish where I rang one of the chaps in the 'early morning call' request log and told him it was 2 Hours before his early morning call. He went bananas. He was paid enough to buy his own ****** alarm clock and i was paid too much to be one.
An entertaining viewing!
TTN,
A good friend of mine has his government 'Restricted' laptop stolen from his desk in Main Building a few years ago, because of astonishing lapses of security on the 5th floor - an un-vetted, temporary Somali cleaner who had full access to a sensitive lifted it (probably to order) and waited until a ministerial team left the building through the South Door, knowing that she would not be challenged. By the time she reached Westminster station, the laptop had gone - passed over to someone.
A good friend of mine has his government 'Restricted' laptop stolen from his desk in Main Building a few years ago, because of astonishing lapses of security on the 5th floor - an un-vetted, temporary Somali cleaner who had full access to a sensitive lifted it (probably to order) and waited until a ministerial team left the building through the South Door, knowing that she would not be challenged. By the time she reached Westminster station, the laptop had gone - passed over to someone.
However, the RAF's response was to pillory the Wg Cdr concerned, who was suspended for 9 weeks and subject to civil and military police investigations, interviews and searches. Furthermore, the story was then leaked to the press by an unscrupulous MOD civil servant, but he was further accused of speaking with the media. On social media, the baying crowds called for his instant dismissal and loss of pension - and prison. He was doorstepped by the media and his mobile phone was hacked by the Sun and News of the World...Rebekha Brooks seemed to know about it. His career was ruined and was quietly put out to pasture. He moved overseas and rebuilt his career within the Foreign Office. At no stage did he ever receive an apology from the RAF.It would make an instructive film of how craven and venal some very senior officers can be...
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TTN,
A good friend of mine has his government 'Restricted' laptop stolen from his desk in Main Building a few years ago, because of astonishing lapses of security on the 5th floor - an un-vetted, temporary Somali cleaner who had full access to a sensitive lifted it (probably to order) and waited until a ministerial team left the building through the South Door, knowing that she would not be challenged. By the time she reached Westminster station, the laptop had gone - passed over to someone.
A good friend of mine has his government 'Restricted' laptop stolen from his desk in Main Building a few years ago, because of astonishing lapses of security on the 5th floor - an un-vetted, temporary Somali cleaner who had full access to a sensitive lifted it (probably to order) and waited until a ministerial team left the building through the South Door, knowing that she would not be challenged. By the time she reached Westminster station, the laptop had gone - passed over to someone.
However, the RAF's response was to pillory the Wg Cdr concerned, who was suspended for 9 weeks and subject to civil and military police investigations, interviews and searches. Furthermore, the story was then leaked to the press by an unscrupulous MOD civil servant, but he was further accused of speaking with the media. On social media, the baying crowds called for his instant dismissal and loss of pension - and prison. He was doorstepped by the media and his mobile phone was hacked by the Sun and News of the World...Rebekha Brooks seemed to know about it. His career was ruined and was quietly put out to pasture. He moved overseas and rebuilt his career within the Foreign Office. At no stage did he ever receive an apology from the RAF.It would make an instructive film of how craven and venal some very senior officers can be...
Not seen much evidence of venality, but perhaps there are more facts to support your point than appear in your post.
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I understand it was the CAS at the time who insisted he was investigated and publically removed from Main Building, amidst allegations of yet more leaks from the Fifth Floor. As colleagues we were horrified by the way he was treated - and were instructed by ACAS not to contact him. Several of us met him for a beer at Borough Market and were carpeted as a result.
What was venal was the way very senior officers threw another officer on the tracks in order to ingratiate themselves with the political leadership, to show they were being stern amidst allegations of the service chiefs briefing against the ministers. They missed the point that he had been the victim of a theft; almost to a man we handed in our DII laptops as we didn't want the risk of being treated in a similar manner.
I ran into the officer concerned recently at an air show; he's done well and after two hardship tours with the FCO he looks back and laughs at the MOD and it's introspection. I have to agree; it would make ideal material for a film on the perils of being a staff officer!
As a post script, a senior civil servant was convicted of misconduct in public office for selling stories to the media. Bettina Jordan Barber - who sold my colleague's details and mobile phone number to the Sun - had received £140,000 in payments and served a 12 month custodial sentence as a result. Her husband is still serving.
What was venal was the way very senior officers threw another officer on the tracks in order to ingratiate themselves with the political leadership, to show they were being stern amidst allegations of the service chiefs briefing against the ministers. They missed the point that he had been the victim of a theft; almost to a man we handed in our DII laptops as we didn't want the risk of being treated in a similar manner.
I ran into the officer concerned recently at an air show; he's done well and after two hardship tours with the FCO he looks back and laughs at the MOD and it's introspection. I have to agree; it would make ideal material for a film on the perils of being a staff officer!
As a post script, a senior civil servant was convicted of misconduct in public office for selling stories to the media. Bettina Jordan Barber - who sold my colleague's details and mobile phone number to the Sun - had received £140,000 in payments and served a 12 month custodial sentence as a result. Her husband is still serving.
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The one I think you are talking about is " Nothing to do with me" It was filmed on 20 and 4 sqdn pans at RAF Wildenrath circa 1971/2. RichardO'Sullivan was the only professional. The rest were the groundcrews and other ranks from the station and pilots off both squadrons. I was watching from the line hut when the Harrier taxied out. It got held up by Herman the German driving the runway sweeper. When Herman move out of the way. The aircraft went straight onto the runway just as the F4 was about to touch down. It was a big shock because nobody told us what was happening and we thought it was for real !
I have been trying to find this film for years and would love a copy for the Harrier Force re--unions. Last attempt was a couple of years ago at a 4 Sqdn re-union. Even our finest pilots have failed in the quest.
I have been trying to find this film for years and would love a copy for the Harrier Force re--unions. Last attempt was a couple of years ago at a 4 Sqdn re-union. Even our finest pilots have failed in the quest.
I was in the 'Mastermind' chair/Tucano ejection seat for the instructional video when I was holding at CFS in '88. I was then given a trip in the Tincan so I suppose I was the first plt off to fly in one. That said, I then went to CF on the JP3 and only managed the one wing in the end.
That said, I then went to CF on the JP3 and only managed the one wing in the end.
You mean you were selected for higher things than being a driver, airframe!
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The purists didn't always appreciate this contemporary fashion style...............
Purely in the interest of context of being the first JO in a Tincan! I'm fiercely proud of my N, so much so that I still wear it on my Army uniform.
Richard O'Sullivan appeared in another film as a pilot who spent the morning being distracted starting at home with his wife nagging him, then things going wrong at the base etc etc and culminating in forgetting to connect his Koch fitting or whatever that connected the dinghy to his harness. His Jag caught on fire and he ejected over the North Sea. While still thousands of feet above the water he lowered his dinghy only to watch it fall and land a mile or so away and although he was in an immersion suit that was the end of him. Does anyone remember this film? Any links to it on youtube or other sites please?
Actually I may be mixing up the "distraction" scenario with the Harrier/Phantom runway incursion end result but you get the idea.
There was also a classic USAF safety video about a jock named Chuck who ate too much chiili con carne then went flying in his T-38 and got gassy beyond his ability to deal with. Any links?
Actually I may be mixing up the "distraction" scenario with the Harrier/Phantom runway incursion end result but you get the idea.
There was also a classic USAF safety video about a jock named Chuck who ate too much chiili con carne then went flying in his T-38 and got gassy beyond his ability to deal with. Any links?
Richard O'Sullivan appeared in another film as a pilot who spent the morning being distracted starting at home with his wife nagging him, then things going wrong at the base etc etc and culminating in forgetting to connect his Koch fitting or whatever that connected the dinghy to his harness. His Jag caught on fire and he ejected over the North Sea.
Yes, that does ring a bell. I saw that one also and I've obviously confused parts of several together over the years. There's definitely another film in which the pilot played by Richard lost his dinghy. As he looked down and watched it fall away he silently mouthed the time honoured, one-word oath often heard in such a situation. The last scene is him being picked up by a SAR vessel or helicopter or something but after he succumbed to the cold.
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Still trying to find a digital copy of this film 'Nothing to do with me'. I have it on an old VHS but no longer have a VHS player. If anyone has a link, it would be great to see again. "There's a Policeman who's fond of Wild mushrooms'..... Its bonkers.