F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

[sandiego89]

Ah thanks tourist, I confused the two, I was thinking of the RAM the U-boats used on periscopes and snorkels late in the war.

[Rhino power]

First internationally assembled F-35 flies...

http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/07...-first-flight/

-RP

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by a1bill

Other than on goat farmers, I think the days of an A-10 doing a gun run in a modern conflict is over. There will be too many manpads etc. to take it out of the sky. I think it really is time the old girl was put down.

And the F-35 will fare better? REALLY???

[Lonewolf_50]

Originally Posted by glad rag

And the F-35 will fare better? REALLY???

Can someone explain to the FJ focused people that the A-10 and the F-35 are not the only two choices for delivering airborne fires in support of ground troops? This false dichotomy continuing on for page after page is a bit disturbing when people from at least two nations who know and practice combined arms warfare are discussing the modern battlefield.

Thanks in advance, folks, for not getting tunnel vision.

[sandiego89]

Rhino power First internationally assembled F-35 flies...

http://theaviationist.com/2015/09/07...-first-flight/

-RP

I'd say a pretty big devlopment with the second line churning out flying aircraft.....now if we can just get at least one user to try a more interesting paint scheme.....

[a1bill]

GR, I don't think the F-35 will do A-10 style gun runs. It doesn't have 1,200 rounds for a start. The other reason is that it may employ other weapon systems, at other altitude and ranges. When you take low level gun runs from an A-10, there is no unique capability. CAS is a mission, not a platform or weapon system.

[LowObservable]

LW50 - Correct. And for many AFs, their FJ forces are what they have to do anything in support of troops in contact.

In fact there's a whole spectrum of things that you can use. UAVs, light-attack types with laser-guided rockets, small helos, big helos, gunships (including C-27s and CN-235s these days) and fighters.

They differ mainly in survivability (depends in part on whether the bad guys have MANPADS) and persistence.

Two requirements: first is the right weapons - where you want precision, short-time-of-flight and (unless TOF is very short) the ability to get the weapon off the target if the situation changes.

The second is the right sensors and comms, which is where the F-35, for the time being, falls very short.

[a1bill]

LO, block 2b is limited, but there is a plan

the das with eots zoom looks kool


the das detecting weapon fire

[LowObservable]

The lack of Rover, midwave-IR-only targeting and the absence of a Brimstone-type short-TOF weapon persist into 3F.

[a1bill]

Will it ever transmit streaming video with ROVER tech? Won't it be a bit, here I am, kill me?

[glad rag]

a1, you obviously recognise the cogent reason for the development and deployment of ROVER?

It would be unfortunate that in the rush to "prove" the aircraft a vital & life saving piece of mission equipment would be omitted from the CAS role.

As for the "here I am, kill me" here's one for you- What if specific defences no longer look out but inwards, as has been previously allured to on this very thread. Think of the RF4's in vietnam using photo flash to illuminate but actually allowing missile and gun laying on their runs, instead of photo flash you have that nice big hot nlo back end that doesn't [relatively] move particularly well??? Achilles heel indeed.

And and finally to weapons. Instead of one trip you have to carry out multiple runs just to clear your target set for the night?

As it stands the best use for F-35 would be to use it's assets in a reconnaissance role ahead of any conventional package. However radius of action begins to come into play here....

[a1bill]

GR, Would legacy aircraft have a seat at the table? The battle space where a rover streaming video transmission is death, sounds hard core.

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by a1bill

GR, Would legacy aircraft have a seat at the table? The battle space where a rover streaming video transmission is death, sounds hard core.

Are they suffering " death, sounds hard core." at the present "battlespace" No.

I'm glad you picked me up on that point however.

[t43562]

I thought this might be interesting for those who don't know like me:

Photo Gallery: Stealth Technology: How Not To Be Seen | Aviation Week

[SpazSinbad]

VIDEO: F-35C Testing Pax River TAILHOOK 2015 Brief

The other day this Video Brief about F-35C testing at Pax River was given:

Lockheed Martin Update

Lockheed Martin Update on Livestream

LOTS of good info about shore based F-35C testing and of course the CVN test last year in this video - 23 Minutes. Next CVN test in October.
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VX-23 Magic Carpet — Carrier Landing Brief (40 Mins) One day they'll make better slides.... (for Super Hornet only but similar to IDLC/Delta Flight Path F-35C)

http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos & http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos/98951655

[SpazSinbad]

Edited 'MAGIC CARPET' Brief TAILhook 2015

Edited 'MAGIC CARPET' Brief TAILhook 2015 (first few minutes explaining old tech carrier landings cut).

Super Hornet Magic Carpet 2015 Tailhook LSO 'Magic Legs' Brief 19 mins 45 seconds

You Tube

[glad rag]

The Bare Faced Cheek of Lockheed Martin - Think Defence

"Where the bare faced cheek comes in is Lockheed Martin seem to be saying it would be an upgrade option if the partner nations and customers want to stump up the cash to do so. We have this shiny new thing, but forget the years of delays and billions of dollars, you will have to dig deep if you want the same video resolution as being used in similar systems five years old."

Discuss..

[Turbine D]

Discuss..

As L-M has plunged deeply into the Madison Avenue advertising business for their newest F-35 aircraft offering, any of the three models you would like to buy. L-M has taken significant notice of the Madison Avenue auto industry marketing and sales strategies and have incorporated the same. That is to say, you can purchase the Workingman's model for $80M (basement bargain sales price subject to change) but have developed many enhancement packages for that model to fulfill your basic needs. Based on those needs, the price is $130M (subject to change), which does not including the warranty or maintenance packages. Additionally L-M has the Executive and Premier models which include many additional features and add on packages, absolutely sure to fit all your needs. Check with your local L-M dealer for pricing :

Well, you did say "Discuss:

TD

[glad rag]

Originally Posted by Turbine D

As L-M has plunged deeply into the Madison Avenue advertising business for their newest F-35 aircraft offering, any of the three models you would like to buy. L-M has taken significant notice of the Madison Avenue auto industry marketing and sales strategies and have incorporated the same. That is to say, you can purchase the Workingman's model for $80M (basement bargain sales price subject to change) but have developed many enhancement packages for that model to fulfill your basic needs. Based on those needs, the price is $130M (subject to change), which does not including the warranty or maintenance packages. Additionally L-M has the Executive and Premier models which include many additional features and add on packages, absolutely sure to fit all your needs. Check with your local L-M dealer for pricing :

Well, you did say "Discuss:

TD

you gotta have a laugh TD, after all this is just the beginning..... just imagine what they are going to charge for full ldb carriage option...

[SpazSinbad]

VIDEO: F-35C Brief TAILHOOK 2015 LM Test Pilot

LM Test Pilot Elliott Clements Brief about F-35C Shake Rattle & Roll and DT-1 at TAILHOOK 2015. I missed the last few sentences at the end where he says they did something like 300 approaches resulting in touch and goes and arrests when the hook was down 124. Many touch and goes done for test purposes when simulating how a nugget/sprog flies early on.

Note the comment at the beginning 20K lbs fuel approx. with a Super Hornet fuel burn.

F-35C LM Test Pilot Shake Rattle Roll DT-1 TailHOOK 2015 Brief

You Tube