F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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First internationally assembled F-35 flies...
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Can someone explain to the FJ focused people that the A-10 and the F-35 are not the only two choices for delivering airborne fires in support of ground troops? This false dichotomy continuing on for page after page is a bit disturbing when people from at least two nations who know and practice combined arms warfare are discussing the modern battlefield.
Thanks in advance, folks, for not getting tunnel vision.
Thanks in advance, folks, for not getting tunnel vision.
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GR, I don't think the F-35 will do A-10 style gun runs. It doesn't have 1,200 rounds for a start. The other reason is that it may employ other weapon systems, at other altitude and ranges. When you take low level gun runs from an A-10, there is no unique capability. CAS is a mission, not a platform or weapon system.
LW50 - Correct. And for many AFs, their FJ forces are what they have to do anything in support of troops in contact.
In fact there's a whole spectrum of things that you can use. UAVs, light-attack types with laser-guided rockets, small helos, big helos, gunships (including C-27s and CN-235s these days) and fighters.
They differ mainly in survivability (depends in part on whether the bad guys have MANPADS) and persistence.
Two requirements: first is the right weapons - where you want precision, short-time-of-flight and (unless TOF is very short) the ability to get the weapon off the target if the situation changes.
The second is the right sensors and comms, which is where the F-35, for the time being, falls very short.
In fact there's a whole spectrum of things that you can use. UAVs, light-attack types with laser-guided rockets, small helos, big helos, gunships (including C-27s and CN-235s these days) and fighters.
They differ mainly in survivability (depends in part on whether the bad guys have MANPADS) and persistence.
Two requirements: first is the right weapons - where you want precision, short-time-of-flight and (unless TOF is very short) the ability to get the weapon off the target if the situation changes.
The second is the right sensors and comms, which is where the F-35, for the time being, falls very short.
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a1, you obviously recognise the cogent reason for the development and deployment of ROVER?
It would be unfortunate that in the rush to "prove" the aircraft a vital & life saving piece of mission equipment would be omitted from the CAS role.
As for the "here I am, kill me" here's one for you- What if specific defences no longer look out but inwards, as has been previously allured to on this very thread. Think of the RF4's in vietnam using photo flash to illuminate but actually allowing missile and gun laying on their runs, instead of photo flash you have that nice big hot nlo back end that doesn't [relatively] move particularly well??? Achilles heel indeed.
And and finally to weapons. Instead of one trip you have to carry out multiple runs just to clear your target set for the night?
As it stands the best use for F-35 would be to use it's assets in a reconnaissance role ahead of any conventional package. However radius of action begins to come into play here....
It would be unfortunate that in the rush to "prove" the aircraft a vital & life saving piece of mission equipment would be omitted from the CAS role.
As for the "here I am, kill me" here's one for you- What if specific defences no longer look out but inwards, as has been previously allured to on this very thread. Think of the RF4's in vietnam using photo flash to illuminate but actually allowing missile and gun laying on their runs, instead of photo flash you have that nice big hot nlo back end that doesn't [relatively] move particularly well??? Achilles heel indeed.
And and finally to weapons. Instead of one trip you have to carry out multiple runs just to clear your target set for the night?
As it stands the best use for F-35 would be to use it's assets in a reconnaissance role ahead of any conventional package. However radius of action begins to come into play here....
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Photo Gallery: Stealth Technology: How Not To Be Seen | Aviation Week
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VIDEO: F-35C Testing Pax River TAILHOOK 2015 Brief
The other day this Video Brief about F-35C testing at Pax River was given:
Lockheed Martin Update
Lockheed Martin Update on Livestream
LOTS of good info about shore based F-35C testing and of course the CVN test last year in this video - 23 Minutes. Next CVN test in October.
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VX-23 Magic Carpet — Carrier Landing Brief (40 Mins) One day they'll make better slides.... (for Super Hornet only but similar to IDLC/Delta Flight Path F-35C)
http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos & http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos/98951655
Lockheed Martin Update
Lockheed Martin Update on Livestream
LOTS of good info about shore based F-35C testing and of course the CVN test last year in this video - 23 Minutes. Next CVN test in October.
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VX-23 Magic Carpet — Carrier Landing Brief (40 Mins) One day they'll make better slides.... (for Super Hornet only but similar to IDLC/Delta Flight Path F-35C)
http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos & http://livestream.com/wab/tailhook2015/videos/98951655
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Edited 'MAGIC CARPET' Brief TAILhook 2015
Edited 'MAGIC CARPET' Brief TAILhook 2015 (first few minutes explaining old tech carrier landings cut).
Super Hornet Magic Carpet 2015 Tailhook LSO 'Magic Legs' Brief 19 mins 45 seconds
Super Hornet Magic Carpet 2015 Tailhook LSO 'Magic Legs' Brief 19 mins 45 seconds
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The Bare Faced Cheek of Lockheed Martin - Think Defence
"Where the bare faced cheek comes in is Lockheed Martin seem to be saying it would be an upgrade option if the partner nations and customers want to stump up the cash to do so. We have this shiny new thing, but forget the years of delays and billions of dollars, you will have to dig deep if you want the same video resolution as being used in similar systems five years old."
Discuss..
"Where the bare faced cheek comes in is Lockheed Martin seem to be saying it would be an upgrade option if the partner nations and customers want to stump up the cash to do so. We have this shiny new thing, but forget the years of delays and billions of dollars, you will have to dig deep if you want the same video resolution as being used in similar systems five years old."
Discuss..
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As L-M has plunged deeply into the Madison Avenue advertising business for their newest F-35 aircraft offering, any of the three models you would like to buy. L-M has taken significant notice of the Madison Avenue auto industry marketing and sales strategies and have incorporated the same. That is to say, you can purchase the Workingman's model for $80M (basement bargain sales price subject to change) but have developed many enhancement packages for that model to fulfill your basic needs. Based on those needs, the price is $130M (subject to change), which does not including the warranty or maintenance packages. Additionally L-M has the Executive and Premier models which include many additional features and add on packages, absolutely sure to fit all your needs. Check with your local L-M dealer for pricing :
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VIDEO: F-35C Brief TAILHOOK 2015 LM Test Pilot
LM Test Pilot Elliott Clements Brief about F-35C Shake Rattle & Roll and DT-1 at TAILHOOK 2015. I missed the last few sentences at the end where he says they did something like 300 approaches resulting in touch and goes and arrests when the hook was down 124. Many touch and goes done for test purposes when simulating how a nugget/sprog flies early on.
Note the comment at the beginning 20K lbs fuel approx. with a Super Hornet fuel burn.
F-35C LM Test Pilot Shake Rattle Roll DT-1 TailHOOK 2015 Brief
Note the comment at the beginning 20K lbs fuel approx. with a Super Hornet fuel burn.
F-35C LM Test Pilot Shake Rattle Roll DT-1 TailHOOK 2015 Brief
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