F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
"Eyeball tracking... The F-35 helmet does both."
PIFFLE! And I have had the thing on my head. Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person?
PIFFLE! And I have had the thing on my head. Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person?
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Where exactly did I say that the AIM 120 could ONLY be used WVR in a boresight mode?
The implication to me is that the AIM-120's WVR mode is the old boresight mode. An implication agreed with by CM in the very next post. My apologies if I misunderstood both of you.
But if I misunderstood, what was the point of the statement? Was it a non sequitur unrelated to the discussion at hand?
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" PIFFLE! And I have had the thing on my head. Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person? "
LowObservable, I wouldn't worry too much, I saw you say that LOAL need to acquire their target within the 9 to 3 o'clock, when it can be a rear hemisphere acquisition
LowObservable, I wouldn't worry too much, I saw you say that LOAL need to acquire their target within the 9 to 3 o'clock, when it can be a rear hemisphere acquisition
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"Eyeball tracking... The F-35 helmet does both."
PIFFLE! And I have had the thing on my head. Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person?
PIFFLE! And I have had the thing on my head. Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person?
Link below for Gen III history/specifics:
?Magic Helmet? for F-35 ready for delivery | Ars Technica
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Have you flown an AiM120 equipped aircraft?
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We were discussing LOAL modes. So, totally related to the discussion at hand.
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Mods, how long do we have to correct the myriad falsehoods propagated by this person?
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The HMDS has a head tracker. I am quite unaware of any use of eye tracking in this or any other fighter HMD. It is not mentioned in the ArsTechnica story you cite.
I wrote:
1. HMDS Gen III has a head tracker.
2. HMDS Gen IV includes an eye tracker.
3. Gen IV is in development and is not yet in production.
4. Gen III is the current production version, which barely got approved for F-35 and for production.
5. BAE's system in the Typhoon almost got used in the F-35.
6. The article I cited is for the history of the Gen III HMDS.
But otherwise, the above quote got it completely right.
Gosh, now I see the problem. I did not realize there was an eye tracker on the Gen IV HMDS.
You know, that Gen IV HMDS. The one that is mentioned nowhere in the 2014 DOT&E report, which talks about ongoing tests of the Gen III. The one that can't be found on a targeted Google search. The one that has never been mentioned in any testimony.
You know, that Gen IV HMDS. The one that is mentioned nowhere in the 2014 DOT&E report, which talks about ongoing tests of the Gen III. The one that can't be found on a targeted Google search. The one that has never been mentioned in any testimony.
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I've had Gen III and Gen IV of the HMDS on my head.
Phishing?
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CM,
I believe that part of the AIM132s, MLU will give it a highly enhanced mode that would allow you to just chuck it into the fight and let it sort it out. For obvious reasons, the details are not for discussion on an open forum, but I'm sure you saw the details before you left.
For those that consider the 132 as a purely WVR weapon, it's not! It is best thought as as a BWR weapon that is outstanding WVR. I once asked if I would swop a 132 for a 9x... "not a chance" (OK, it was actually F#*k Off), was my reply
I believe that part of the AIM132s, MLU will give it a highly enhanced mode that would allow you to just chuck it into the fight and let it sort it out. For obvious reasons, the details are not for discussion on an open forum, but I'm sure you saw the details before you left.
For those that consider the 132 as a purely WVR weapon, it's not! It is best thought as as a BWR weapon that is outstanding WVR. I once asked if I would swop a 132 for a 9x... "not a chance" (OK, it was actually F#*k Off), was my reply
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Some seem to think that good manoeuvrability is still something to strive for in a fighter.
Eurofighter: Typhoon To Be More Agile, Deadly
Eurofighter: Typhoon To Be More Agile, Deadly
LONDON — Flight tests of a Eurofighter Typhoon fighter sporting several aerodynamic modifications have greatly improved the aircraft's agility and weapons-carrying capabilities, Airbus Defence and Space said Wednesday.
The addition of fuselage strakes and leading-edge root extensions and other more minor changes to an Airbus test aircraft resulted in improved lift, angle of attack and roll rate capabilities compared with the standard aircraft, the Eurofighter consortium member said in a statement.
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the modifications increased the maximum lift created by the wing by 25 percent, resulting in an increased turn rate, tighter turning radius and improved nose-pointing ability at low speed.
Test pilot Raffaele Beltrame said the program had exceeded expectations in some areas.
"We saw angle of attack values around 45 percent greater than on the standard aircraft, and roll rates up to 100 percent higher, all leading to increased agility. The handling qualities appeared to be markedly improved, providing more maneuverability, agility and precision," he said.
The test pilot said the modification work also offered potential benefits in the air-to-surface configuration, "thanks to the increased variety and flexibility of stores that can be carried."
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The aerodynamics improvements are the latest of several capability upgrades announced in the last 18 months or so, including development of an e-scan radar, the integration of several news weapons and the development of a new multiweapon launcher.
The addition of fuselage strakes and leading-edge root extensions and other more minor changes to an Airbus test aircraft resulted in improved lift, angle of attack and roll rate capabilities compared with the standard aircraft, the Eurofighter consortium member said in a statement.
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the modifications increased the maximum lift created by the wing by 25 percent, resulting in an increased turn rate, tighter turning radius and improved nose-pointing ability at low speed.
Test pilot Raffaele Beltrame said the program had exceeded expectations in some areas.
"We saw angle of attack values around 45 percent greater than on the standard aircraft, and roll rates up to 100 percent higher, all leading to increased agility. The handling qualities appeared to be markedly improved, providing more maneuverability, agility and precision," he said.
The test pilot said the modification work also offered potential benefits in the air-to-surface configuration, "thanks to the increased variety and flexibility of stores that can be carried."
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The aerodynamics improvements are the latest of several capability upgrades announced in the last 18 months or so, including development of an e-scan radar, the integration of several news weapons and the development of a new multiweapon launcher.
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O-P, I see where you're going. It was part of the concept right from the start. However, I think the people that write the RoE and CONOPS will take a lot of persuading, no matter how good the technology is. I'll see if I can dig out the slides I made for an unclassified presentation very many years ago.
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CM,
I believe that the early problem wasn't with the capability of the seeker, but the processor needed to be twice the size of the said firework. What used to take three London buses now goes into a watch. Hence the MLU.
Which brings up the F35s (or any aircraft for that matter) IR stealth claim again, sometimes it's not what you can see that counts, it's what's not there.
I believe that the early problem wasn't with the capability of the seeker, but the processor needed to be twice the size of the said firework. What used to take three London buses now goes into a watch. Hence the MLU.
Which brings up the F35s (or any aircraft for that matter) IR stealth claim again, sometimes it's not what you can see that counts, it's what's not there.
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CM,
The "new" mode for the 132 is surely better than the "Mad Dog", F4 with a 9L, Hawk with anything, or even a targeted IR rocket that has been decoyed.
I'm not saying that it should be the primary employment mode, just an option if your buddy is going to die unless you do something. I can't see RoE being a problem as long as it's not used as the primary option. ie "Get to RNE and chuck 'em all off and run".
I remember the QF4 piccy! Yikkes.
The "new" mode for the 132 is surely better than the "Mad Dog", F4 with a 9L, Hawk with anything, or even a targeted IR rocket that has been decoyed.
I'm not saying that it should be the primary employment mode, just an option if your buddy is going to die unless you do something. I can't see RoE being a problem as long as it's not used as the primary option. ie "Get to RNE and chuck 'em all off and run".
I remember the QF4 piccy! Yikkes.