F-35 Cancelled, then what ?
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Discussing the $400,000 "Magic" helmet, here is what one F-35 pilot has to say about it, interesting…
http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/13...flight-helmet/
http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/13...flight-helmet/
Yes, I read that one too, Turbine. I can see his points. The 3D Mk II eyeball does give a better appreciation and quicker interpretation than any current HMDS/HMS/etc will do. And I can see how the restrictions on head movement would be frustrating, even looking up to the lift vector or plane of motion, let alone behind you. Remember, to see the imagery in those obscured zones, the pilot still has to get is head pointed round there before he can see through the seat.
As you say, it is an interesting take on it.
As you say, it is an interesting take on it.
And remember this started with an entirely unqualified statement that the F-35 helmet had eyeball tracking in addition to head tracking. The whole story about the "Gen IV" (the existence of which cannot be confirmed) started when I called KenV on that first claim.
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http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/13...flight-helmet/
2:55 onwards.
Am I missing something or DAS doesn't have resolution to target ground vehicle sized objects?
I was under the impression that DAS will allow for spherical targeting of all sorts of combat vehicles at ranges up to 20 or so miles out.
Some reports even mentioned tracking of personnel on the ground...and now the DAS is used to 'see mountains'?
2:55 onwards.
Am I missing something or DAS doesn't have resolution to target ground vehicle sized objects?
I was under the impression that DAS will allow for spherical targeting of all sorts of combat vehicles at ranges up to 20 or so miles out.
Some reports even mentioned tracking of personnel on the ground...and now the DAS is used to 'see mountains'?
Consider that the DAS has six sensors, each with a 90x90 deg FOV. That's bigger than the FOV of the camera on your cellphone (50-60 depending on model).
The IR sensor has been described as a 1 megapixel device (1024x1024). (Some say this has been raised to 4MP.)
In either case the resolution is not as good as an iPhone. That's why a separate night-vision sensor (not IR) is used to feed the central field of view for pilotage tasks.
The IR sensor has been described as a 1 megapixel device (1024x1024). (Some say this has been raised to 4MP.)
In either case the resolution is not as good as an iPhone. That's why a separate night-vision sensor (not IR) is used to feed the central field of view for pilotage tasks.
Would you buy a DSLR camera today with fewer than 12 or 18 megapixels? And that's an open market consumer product.
Six x 1MP to give full spherical coverage ain't going to give you that "X-Ray vision" through your own aircraft is it? No wonder the man says he'd rather see things with his own eyes.
Six x 1MP to give full spherical coverage ain't going to give you that "X-Ray vision" through your own aircraft is it? No wonder the man says he'd rather see things with his own eyes.
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Turbine, thanks for putting that video up. I hadn't seen it before and it was worth watching. I also saw a second video from Krigeren. https://vimeo.com/krigeren/videos
The same pilot talking about the F-35 and other planes.
https://vimeo.com/124520672
although over an hour long, I thought he Boeing video was worth watching too
https://vimeo.com/129458153
The same pilot talking about the F-35 and other planes.
https://vimeo.com/124520672
although over an hour long, I thought he Boeing video was worth watching too
https://vimeo.com/129458153
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The IR sensor has been described as a 1 megapixel device (1024x1024). (Some say this has been raised to 4MP.)
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Discussing the $400,000 "Magic" helmet, here is what one F-35 pilot has to say about it, interesting…
http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/13...flight-helmet/
http://theaviationist.com/2015/07/13...flight-helmet/
“If you are flying correctly and the jet is doing what it is supposed to do, [enemy] guys should die well before they get behind you” Wilson comments, suggesting, once again, that the JSF’s survivability in air-to-air combat (even against some of the aircraft it is supposed to replace) is based on its BVR (Beyond Visual Range), stealth and SA (Situational Awareness) capabilities, rather than in its agility."
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They used 1MP sensors, now planned to upgraded to 4MP sensors (from the same supplier) but I don't know they already did.
http://www.cinele.com/images/Documen...13/2k_x_2k.pdf
BTW 12MP sensors in a colour set-up are probably 4MP per colour (,not sure about that though)
Edit; still seems to be 1MP to date as far as I can tell (4MP need considerable change in software and is physically a little bigger)
http://www.cinele.com/images/Documen...13/2k_x_2k.pdf
BTW 12MP sensors in a colour set-up are probably 4MP per colour (,not sure about that though)
Edit; still seems to be 1MP to date as far as I can tell (4MP need considerable change in software and is physically a little bigger)
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As a point of comparison, in the planned upgrades with block4-5 the advanced EOTS will bring the F35 to the same level as the new pods like THALES' TALIOS which will come on line for buyers in 2018 (QATAR first), while the advanced EOTS is planned for 2027 if all goes to plan.
My understanding is that its a 4MP array. And to put this in perspective a 12MP color sensor in a consumer camera also has 4MP resolution.
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At this stage, does it really matter if it's 1mp or 10mp? I would think that it's more important what the software does with the image date. To process it into something that is useable.
KenV,
As you should understand, there is a big difference between getting a higher resolution out of a 4MP sensor for a stills camera and a real-time video camera. Time. It takes time to do that trickery and time in the case of DAS and HMDS means latency, which was your buddy's big problem with Gen II/III.
BTW, check out the actual resolutions of modern DSLRs. Once again your information is out of date. If you left active service in 1985, I suspect some of your military knowledge is similarly dated.
As you should understand, there is a big difference between getting a higher resolution out of a 4MP sensor for a stills camera and a real-time video camera. Time. It takes time to do that trickery and time in the case of DAS and HMDS means latency, which was your buddy's big problem with Gen II/III.
BTW, check out the actual resolutions of modern DSLRs. Once again your information is out of date. If you left active service in 1985, I suspect some of your military knowledge is similarly dated.
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Ken, why not stick to joining in with the discussion? You know, express opinions, offer views on others' posts, ask questions. Continually posting things that are so clearly untrue does nothing for your credibility and just pisses people off.
Maybe that's what you're trying to achieve. If so, crack on.
Maybe that's what you're trying to achieve. If so, crack on.
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A 4MP image sensor is actually very good resolution as far as motion imaging goes - better theoretical resolution than HD. The issue is the throughput and network bandwidth. A super simplified calculation means that the image processor is pushing well in excess of 200MBps of raw data onto the network, excluding a sizable amount of transport protocol overhead. Multiply that by 6 DAS cameras, and its easy to see how latency creeps into the system, particularly when considering the number of aircraft systems that are competing for bandwidth and ICP time.
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Would you buy a DSLR camera today with fewer than 12 or 18 megapixels? And that's an open market consumer product.
However a 4meg IR sensor is going to exceed what a human eye can see, because we can't see IR.
Isn't the purpose to avoid losing stealth by manovering ?