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F-35 Cancelled, then what ?

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Old 29th Apr 2015, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Courtney Mil
Not even Spaz could have put a good spin on that report.
Strangely enough, Spaz, Engines, JSFan et al have been noticeably quiet of late
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Original quote by Lonewolf_50:
The decision was made at high levels in government, secretarial level, to put all eggs in one basket. Over a decade ago.
Original quote by ORAC:
Hmmm. Remind me, just about when was the F136 engine cancelled?
The decision was made decade ago by the UTC/PWA lobby in Washington to eliminate the competition as the Pratt engine was far superior compared to the GE/Rolls Royce engine, and the Connecticut Congressional delegation agreed, they didn't want to lose another engine war. Actual funding continued through part of 2011 and then GE/RR self funded to the end of 2011. Somewhere there are six engines encased in bubble wrap, preserved as a reminder to dimwits in Washington that they are still dimwits.

December 2, 2011

Joint Statement From GE and Rolls-Royce

The GE Rolls-Royce Fighter Engine Team (FET) has reached the decision to discontinue self-funded development of the F136 engine for the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) beyond 2011.

The decision, reached jointly by GE and Rolls-Royce leadership, recognizes the continued uncertainty in the development and production schedules for the JSF Program.

"GE and Rolls-Royce are proud of our technology advancements and accomplishments on the F136," said Dan McCormick, President of the FET. "However, difficult circumstances are converging that impact the potential benefit of a self-funded development effort."

With the F136 engine development almost 80 percent complete, the Department of Defense terminated the program in April of this year. Following termination, the GE Rolls-Royce FET had offered to self-fund F136 development through fiscal year 2012, but will now end its development work. The FET will continue to fulfill its termination responsibilities with the federal government.

For 15 years, the FET has developed a competitive fighter engine for JSF with the world's most advanced propulsion technologies, including numerous patented technologies from both companies.

Before the program was terminated, six F136 development engines had accumulated more than 1,200 hours of testing since early 2009. The FET consistently delivered on cost and on schedule, and was rewarded with high marks by the Department of Defense in a successful joint venture between GE and Rolls-Royce.

Throughout the F136 program, GE and Rolls-Royce have been leading advocates of defense acquisition reform - offering unique and aggressive fixed-price proposals for F136 production engines for the JSF program.

"GE and Rolls-Royce are deeply grateful to our many Congressional supporters on both sides of the aisle over these many years as well as the military experts who have supported competing engines for JSF," said McCormick. "We do not waver in our belief that competition is central to meaningful defense acquisition reform."

Source: Rolls-Royce, GE
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Other nations may have more flex in making a choice to opt out.
Canada will have the first opportunity to do so by selecting the FA-18 E/Fs. I would suspect others to follow if the program keeps aging and more costly with far less capability than was originally promised.

Original quote by Hempy:
Strangely enough, Spaz, Engines, JSFan et al have been noticeably quiet of late
Tis what happens when all the photo ops and the manufacture's propaganda dries up while good news fades into a distant memory…

Much of the GE owned technology developed for the F136 will be apparent in the new commercial engines, soon to become a reality…
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Originally Posted by Turbine D
The decision was made decade ago by the UTC/PWA lobby in Washington to eliminate the competition as the Pratt engine was far superior compared to the GE/Rolls Royce engine, and the Connecticut Congressional delegation agreed, they didn't want to lose another engine war. Actual funding continued through part of 2011 and then GE/RR self funded to the end of 2011. Somewhere there are six engines encased in bubble wrap, preserved as a reminder to dimwits in Washington that they are still dimwits.
Turbine, I was referring to the weapons system, F-35, not just the engines. Thanks for the details in any case.
Much of the GE owned technology developed for the F136 will be apparent in the new commercial engines, soon to become a reality
Is that the same brand of "soon" as the "F-35 will IOC soon" or is it another brand?
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I was alluding to the previous diagram and the dramatic decline in engine life.

If one was cynical one could suppose that the manufacturer had been spending waaaay over revealed costs to produce early engines above spec to match/best the opposition and that; once it was cancelled; they went back to contract spec and time.

Gee, you want it better? Meet my lawyers and engineers.........
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Originally Posted by ORAC
Hmmm. Remind me, just about when was the F136 engine cancelled?
Was it the same time as the manufacturer promised "The Turkey" would out perform the current service aircraft




Anyone have details on just what are the procedures and processes for F35B ECU replacement?

[I could do with a laugh]
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Original quote by Lonewolf_50:
Is that the same brand of "soon" as the "F-35 will IOC soon" or is it another brand?
I was thinking of the new CFM LEAP engine:
The CFM LEAP family represents the engines of choice for the next-generation single-aisle aircraft. The LEAP-1A is an option on the Airbus A320neo; the LEAP-1B is the exclusive power plant for the Boeing 737 MAX; and the LEAP-1C is the sole Western powerplant for the COMAC C919. Two engine families have contributed significantly to the design of the LEAP engine, the CFM56 and the GE90/GEnx series of engines. The GE90/GEnx contributed the high-efficiency core architecture to minimize fuel consumption, while the CFM56 legacy drove reliability and maintenance cost design practices.

Airbus just rolled out the first A320neo LEAP powered aircraft and it will start ground testing and flight certification testing this year. I believe over 5,000 LEAP engines have been sold at this point in time. Revenue service will start in 2016.

FYI, the CFM56 core came from the F101 engine designed for the B-1A/B bomber. There have been over 25,000 CFM56 engines produced for Boeing and Airbus. The GE90/GEnx core evolved out of the GE engine offered for what is now the F-22 fighter.

I suspect the promised dates will be met as advertised along with up to a 15% improvement in fuel efficiency verses the best of the current CFM56 engines, further reduced maintenance costs, and a 1000 pound weight reduction contribution for each A320neo aircraft verses current A320 aircraft.
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Originally Posted by Turbine D
I was thinking of the new CFM LEAP engine:
The CFM LEAP family represents the engines of choice for the next-generation single-aisle aircraft. ... snip the rest>>>
Neat. I love technology. CFM56 relation to B-1 was an interesting tidbit, thanks again!
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nice recovery..
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P&W fights US government criticisms of F-35 engine reliability - 4/30/2015 - Flight Global

Interesting to see the VTOL engine is almost twice as reliable as the CTOL engine. Counter intuitive. I wonder why that is.

The drop off after F136 cancellation is interesting. I assume there is more to this though, were there also cost/weight/production changes that explain the drop off? I suspect "Engines" would know.
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From Flightglobal
“The engine is reliable, and we’ll continue trying to make it more reliable,” Bennett Croswell, president of P&W’s military engines business, told reporters on 27 April. Croswell acknowledges the accuracy of the GAO’s numbers, but says that report does not reflect the overall picture of the F135’s reliability record.
That is exactly what P&W said about the PW F100-PW-200 engine that powered the F-16A/B. What happened subsequently is history. The one thing about history is we learn we don't learn. Mr. Croswell apparently never studied the history of the F-16 Fighter and its initial single sourced engine.

The other business history lesson is that you never publicly criticize your customer whether you are President or not, especially when you say your deficient management systems don't represent the end product.
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Originally Posted by JFZ90
P&W fights US government criticisms of F-35 engine reliability - 4/30/2015 - Flight Global

Interesting to see the VTOL engine is almost twice as reliable as the CTOL engine. Counter intuitive. I wonder why that is.
Statistics. Ratio of one airframe type to the other.
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Originally Posted by Turbine D
That is exactly what P&W said about the PW F100-PW-200 engine that powered the F-16A/B. What happened subsequently is history. The one thing about history is we learn we don't learn. Mr. Croswell apparently never studied the history of the F-16 Fighter and its initial single sourced engine.

The other business history lesson is that you never publicly criticize your customer whether you are President or not, especially when you say your deficient management systems don't represent the end product.
We call it taking the
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Original quote by glad rag:
Anyone have details on just what are the procedures and processes for F35B ECU replacement?
Just a few thing to do before they get to the ECU, but it is on the to do list.

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Remember Apollo 13?

Gene Kranz: Let's look at this thing from a... um, from a standpoint of status. What do we got on the craft that's good?
[pause]
Sy Liebergot: I'll get back to you, Gene.
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Here's the most expensive weapons system ever and all of its ammunition in one photo


Says it all really, and this being a supposedly cheaper alternative to the F22.
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I noticed the baggage pod is classed as an 'armament', yet the Meteor doesn't make the list.
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"It'll never fly, Orville...."
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Designed and manufactured at Lockheed Martin's massive production facility in Fort Worth, Texas, the F-35 Lightning II can carry
an impressive 18,000 pounds of lethal ammunition.
Wait, how much non-lethal ammo can it carry?

The business insider puff piece caters to ... whom?
Commence nitpicking.
How cost was presented. The article called it the most expensive, at $103 million per copy. The single most expensive weapons carrying vehicle that I am familiar with is a Seawolf submarine: something over 3 billion. The next most pricy aircraft is the B-2, at something close to a billion a copy. On the other hand, the volume of these probably tips the program cost into the highest ever category ... the mini article noted the notional size of the buy, but didn't do the arithmetic to show why it's the most expensive program
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Lethal Wing Tanks and Baggage Pods

Just to split hairs, is this saying that with a 426 gallon wing tank or two and a baggage pod, that a further 18,000 lbs can be carried, or are these classed as ammo?
Or is this just sadly poor PR?
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Original quote by Lonewolf_50:
The article called it the most expensive, at $103 million per copy.
Lockheed says that each F-35A jet, also referred to as the Conventional Takeoff and Landing ( CTOL ), costs $103 million (not including engine) and is the most requested of the three aircrafts.
Neat how they have separated out the engine from the aircraft when it comes to cost divulgence. Add in the engine and total package cost is closer to $120 million. Hopefully the automobile folks won't pickup on this pricing technique.

BTW, Bennett Croswell, President of Pratt's Military operation, told the Flightglobal folks "The company stands by a commercially-derived programme that it has adapted for the F135."
Don't know what is meant by "commercially-derived" but hopefully that isn't what they do on their commercial product offerings.
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