Geoff Hoon.................
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Re your #39.
It is difficult to see how a thread could adequately discuss the attributes of "Buff" Hoon without some indication of "gross stupidity". The best that could be said of him was that he was an improvement on "Sleepy Fred".
Re your #39.
It is difficult to see how a thread could adequately discuss the attributes of "Buff" Hoon without some indication of "gross stupidity". The best that could be said of him was that he was an improvement on "Sleepy Fred".
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If you don't like the thread or the comments, don't read it....it's not compulsory1
This just happens to be a military thread and many here have been affected by the incompetance of Hoon (and most other socialist ministers) and this is the right place for the military and those associated with it to sound off their opinions.
If you don't like the thread or the comments, don't read it....it's not compulsory1
This just happens to be a military thread and many here have been affected by the incompetance of Hoon (and most other socialist ministers) and this is the right place for the military and those associated with it to sound off their opinions.
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I'll comment wherever I see fit, ROG, but thanks for the heads-up re: your perspective on open forums 
Boys and girls, trying to suggest - as you seem to be doing - that incompetent (or is it incontinent?) politicians are responsible for your woes is to avoid looking at your own contribution to your current situation. A cynic might suggest you are your own worst enemies in this regard. For example, bitching about the loss of first-class travel for senior officers as your country slowly disintegrates around your ears doesn't strike me as being a particularly smart move.
We all get the politicians we deserve. None of us are immune from the whims of these fellows, it's just that some politicians accidentally make smart choices. Which is why we seem to be choosing rather nice flying machines and you.. well... you know what your guys are buying
Oh, and thanks mods. I apologise for my ill-chosen remark about your actions being grossly stupid. Events would suggest that you're actually quite tolerant..
Boys and girls, trying to suggest - as you seem to be doing - that incompetent (or is it incontinent?) politicians are responsible for your woes is to avoid looking at your own contribution to your current situation. A cynic might suggest you are your own worst enemies in this regard. For example, bitching about the loss of first-class travel for senior officers as your country slowly disintegrates around your ears doesn't strike me as being a particularly smart move.
We all get the politicians we deserve. None of us are immune from the whims of these fellows, it's just that some politicians accidentally make smart choices. Which is why we seem to be choosing rather nice flying machines and you.. well... you know what your guys are buying
Oh, and thanks mods. I apologise for my ill-chosen remark about your actions being grossly stupid. Events would suggest that you're actually quite tolerant..
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But... but... I thought you were discussing politicians?
Well, you can never be sure until you see them sitting on the concrete, but it's been widely reported we're getting some shiny SU30MK's in the next year or so. I know the airframes aren't as important as the fiddly bits that come with them, but as we're getting on well with our Russian chums at the moment we may get some white toys to hang on the pylons.
Personally, I think we're in danger of fussing about events too far from the homeland (does that sound familiar?). The good thing about the '21's is that they limit your range and direction of interest, if you get my drift...
Well, you can never be sure until you see them sitting on the concrete, but it's been widely reported we're getting some shiny SU30MK's in the next year or so. I know the airframes aren't as important as the fiddly bits that come with them, but as we're getting on well with our Russian chums at the moment we may get some white toys to hang on the pylons.
Personally, I think we're in danger of fussing about events too far from the homeland (does that sound familiar?). The good thing about the '21's is that they limit your range and direction of interest, if you get my drift...
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Discussing Politicians? - certainly not!!!
We were merely commenting on the less than endearing foibles which affected their ability to do the job that they were paid to do.
Discussing Politicians? - certainly not!!!
We were merely commenting on the less than endearing foibles which affected their ability to do the job that they were paid to do.
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I read this section for informed comment on military aviation and military aviators. I don't read it to hear tales about politicians.
I'll comment wherever I see fit, ROG, but thanks for the heads-up re: your perspective on open forumsomment here
The thread concerns an ex Minister of Defence (or whtever he was called) and the individuals most affected by his "decisions" are to be found on this Military aircraft forum and not on Jet Blast.
Whilst I don't agree with you, it's good to see you joining the debate.
Some years ago, we led one of those dog and pony show things for a visiting (shadow?) defence minister, Lord Soames. 3 tankers, plus lots of receivers..
My crew had been allocated a VC10K2 which, as was often the case back then, had a restricted fuel load. So, as a small change to the plan, we asked whether the K3 would give us our extra fuel as soon as we coasted out; this could then be observed by Soames in the C1K from echelon.
The K3 crew readily agreed, but the reply from the shiny crew was a bit non-operational: "Aaah, we're just serving luncheon, so we would rather you waited until later....."
"Well, we'll change lead after the corridor, and if the K3 trails at coast out, we'll prod asap. If Bunter can get his snout out of the trough in time, you can watch - otherwise hold clear!", we replied.
"Aaah - you will be pleased to know that His Lordship is no longer on headset", the shiny crew sniffily replied.....
Ooops....
My crew had been allocated a VC10K2 which, as was often the case back then, had a restricted fuel load. So, as a small change to the plan, we asked whether the K3 would give us our extra fuel as soon as we coasted out; this could then be observed by Soames in the C1K from echelon.
The K3 crew readily agreed, but the reply from the shiny crew was a bit non-operational: "Aaah, we're just serving luncheon, so we would rather you waited until later....."
"Well, we'll change lead after the corridor, and if the K3 trails at coast out, we'll prod asap. If Bunter can get his snout out of the trough in time, you can watch - otherwise hold clear!", we replied.
"Aaah - you will be pleased to know that His Lordship is no longer on headset", the shiny crew sniffily replied.....
Ooops....
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At an Air Show displaced from it's usual home to an airfield in Eastern England in 2000, said Buffhoon was doing the tours of "his" aircraft. In a beige linen suite. Not best suited for clambering around HMs finest!
As we were guiding him around our aircraft, we "accidentally" managed to stop to point out an interesting bit of kit, with the Minister possitioned just under a hydraulic leak. Oops!
Accidents do happen!
Although the boss was none too happy when he found out.
As we were guiding him around our aircraft, we "accidentally" managed to stop to point out an interesting bit of kit, with the Minister possitioned just under a hydraulic leak. Oops!
Accidents do happen!
Although the boss was none too happy when he found out.
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"Aaah - you will be pleased to know that His Lordship is no longer on headset"
Silence reigned for the rest of the trip, followed by howls of laughter when the guests departed.
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Posted elsewhere, but I found it humorous
Totally off topic, but hey it does some up Gordon Brown quite well 
A US army platoon was marching north of Fallujah when they came upon an
Iraqi insurgent, badly injured and unconscious on the left-hand side of
The road.
On the right-hand side was a British soldier in a similar, but less
Serious state. The Brit was conscious and alert. As first aid was given
To both men, the platoon leader asked the injured soldier what had
Happened.
The soldier reported: "I was recce-ing the highway here when suddenly,
Coming towards me from the south was a heavily-armed insurgent. We saw
Each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road.
"I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scumbag
Who'd got what he deserved. The insurgent yelled back that Gordon Brown
Is a fat, useless, lying, one-eyed porridge wog. And furthermore, Lord
Mandelson is a pillow-biting gay bastard!
"So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and ponces about like a frigid,
Hatchet-faced lesbian.
"He retaliated by shouting that so does Harriet Harman.
"And, there we were - in the middle of the road - shaking hands, when a
f**king bus hit us.
Iraqi insurgent, badly injured and unconscious on the left-hand side of
The road.
On the right-hand side was a British soldier in a similar, but less
Serious state. The Brit was conscious and alert. As first aid was given
To both men, the platoon leader asked the injured soldier what had
Happened.
The soldier reported: "I was recce-ing the highway here when suddenly,
Coming towards me from the south was a heavily-armed insurgent. We saw
Each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road.
"I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scumbag
Who'd got what he deserved. The insurgent yelled back that Gordon Brown
Is a fat, useless, lying, one-eyed porridge wog. And furthermore, Lord
Mandelson is a pillow-biting gay bastard!
"So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and ponces about like a frigid,
Hatchet-faced lesbian.
"He retaliated by shouting that so does Harriet Harman.
"And, there we were - in the middle of the road - shaking hands, when a
f**king bus hit us.
