Lyneham Closure, Westminster Hall Debate 6 Jan 2010
I particularly enjoyed the article in the Bzn Gateway magazine....
Champagne anyone...?
I particularly enjoyed the article in the Bzn Gateway magazine talking about the training week in May and how, 'all the C130 crews are fully onboard with the move to Brize' as a result of the successful training there
Genius.
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK Sometimes
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Brize Norton? That well known bastion of the Royal Ground Force's training school for all arms of the Flight Prevention Branch?
Well, I guess that if all the AT eggs do eventually go in the one basket, we will save squillions on fuel and accomodation!
"Brize Tower, Ascot *** (can't remember the PTS c/s), ready for departure"
"Negative Ascot ***, hold position, Tristar just approaching Compton"
"FFS!!" (quietly)
or
"Brize Radar, Ascot 4321, 2500ft, QNH 1013, heading 030 degs, with info 'A', request poor radar performance"
"Ascot 4321 report to SATCO on landing!"
or
Snotty DAMO (F/L) to Grumpy Capt (S/L) outside crew door
"You should be wearing your yellow jacket mate"
GC to SD
"When they f**king paint my f**king herc yellow, then I will wear my f**king jacket......and its Sir to you.....mate! Now where the hell are our pax - we've been waiting for 2 and half hours already??"
(Sadly, I returned in a bright yellow Firefly a year or so later and had to eat my words - and wear my jacket!)
Well, I guess that if all the AT eggs do eventually go in the one basket, we will save squillions on fuel and accomodation!
"Brize Tower, Ascot *** (can't remember the PTS c/s), ready for departure"
"Negative Ascot ***, hold position, Tristar just approaching Compton"
"FFS!!" (quietly)
or
"Brize Radar, Ascot 4321, 2500ft, QNH 1013, heading 030 degs, with info 'A', request poor radar performance"
"Ascot 4321 report to SATCO on landing!"
or
Snotty DAMO (F/L) to Grumpy Capt (S/L) outside crew door
"You should be wearing your yellow jacket mate"
GC to SD
"When they f**king paint my f**king herc yellow, then I will wear my f**king jacket......and its Sir to you.....mate! Now where the hell are our pax - we've been waiting for 2 and half hours already??"
(Sadly, I returned in a bright yellow Firefly a year or so later and had to eat my words - and wear my jacket!)
GC to SD
"When they f**king paint my f**king herc yellow, then I will wear my f**king jacket......and its Sir to you.....mate! Now where the hell are our pax - we've been waiting for 2 and half hours already??"
"When they f**king paint my f**king herc yellow, then I will wear my f**king jacket......and its Sir to you.....mate! Now where the hell are our pax - we've been waiting for 2 and half hours already??"
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Former Home of the Hercules, Wilts
Posts: 304
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Vernon 99
I see you have managed to lower the tone of this thread into lets slag movers off. Of course movers hit aircraft with vehicles, its bound to happen when they have to drive worn out vehicles within inches of aircraft ramps and holds every time an aircraft needs on or offloading. Often at night in poor lighting.
However a mover has never completely destoyed a transport aircraft yet unlike our engineering and aircrew ccounterparts.
VC 10 on its tail and subsequently written off. C-130 landing with the gear up, both equaly as stupid as driving into an aircraft - I rest my case.
Now perhaps we can get back to what this thread is about!!!!!!!!!!!
I see you have managed to lower the tone of this thread into lets slag movers off. Of course movers hit aircraft with vehicles, its bound to happen when they have to drive worn out vehicles within inches of aircraft ramps and holds every time an aircraft needs on or offloading. Often at night in poor lighting.
However a mover has never completely destoyed a transport aircraft yet unlike our engineering and aircrew ccounterparts.
VC 10 on its tail and subsequently written off. C-130 landing with the gear up, both equaly as stupid as driving into an aircraft - I rest my case.
Now perhaps we can get back to what this thread is about!!!!!!!!!!!
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: UK Sometimes
Posts: 1,062
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Quite right, the Movers at LYE were only marinally better than those at Brize.....only joking guys as movers are among my best friends (except for the berk who drove into me at 60mph!!)!
JTO
Good to hear from you! Will PM soon
flipster
JTO
Good to hear from you! Will PM soon
flipster
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: wilts
Posts: 1,667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry Chaps, I have been away from the thread for a while, if anyone still wants Bill Ramms letter to Gray I have it as a scanned copy on PDF, don't think I can simply post it up on here. James included a cost breakdown, see below.
Keeping Lyneham open would involve a significant upgrade to the runway. It is wearing out and is already past its sell by date. I don't have the figures at hand, but it is basically timed out with the planned closure of the airfield. I still think the army will take over the base, but it is subject to SDR so we should find out a bit later in the year.
When the Herc landed belly up a few weeks ago, aircraft were scattered at Lyneham (2 VC10s) Tristars to MAN, cancelled tanker sorties out of Brize etc etc. Still think this closure is bananas, but I did hear of a possible Biz Jet operation out of LYE. James has gone quiet I can give him a nudge see what is going on.
Just PM me with an email address if you want the letter...
COSTS INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
High Voltage Ring Main. In order to ensure sufficient electrical power is provided to Brize Norton, work to install an additional high voltage ring main was completed in 2009 at a cost of £5.7M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
C-130J Training Mission Rehearsal Facility. The relocation of the C-130J fleet from Lyneham to Brize Norton also necessitates the relocation of the 2 C-130J Dynamic Mission Simulators from Lyneham to Brize Norton, where they will be housed in a new purpose-built building. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Passenger Handling Facility (PHF). The current Terminal at Brize Norton was designed to handle relatively small, narrow-body aircraft. The Terminal struggles to cope with the passenger loads typically carried on TriStar and charter aircraft such as the B767. In order to maximize the efficient use of our future A330-200 FSTA fleet, it is anticipated that a new PHF, or significant redevelopment of the current Terminal will be required. Although this cost is included within the overall PFB costs, it should be noted that the PHF development is required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton. The number of passengers carried on our C-130 aircraft would not place an appreciable additional strain on the current Brize Norton Terminal. The exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Freight Handling Facility (FHF). Much of the current FHF at Brize Norton is housed in temporary facilities. Although the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton clearly increases the amount of freight being handled at Brize Norton, some work on the FHF would be required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
47 Air Despatch Squadron (Royal Logistics Corp). Following an in-depth Assessment Study, a new build has been identified as the best option for the 47 AD Squadron (RLC) facility at Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Tactical Medical Wg (TMW) and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn Accommodation. Refurbishment of currently unused technical accommodation for TMW and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Relocation of Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radar (MSSR). In order to create space for the new Junior Ranks’ SLAM, the MSSR has to be relocated at a cost of around £1.6M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
C-130 Hangar/Support Facility. In order to maximize the availability of C-130 aircraft following the relocation of the force from Lyneham to Brize Norton, it is planned that a C-130 Hangar/support facility will be constructed at Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Additional Telecom-Related Costs. A number of relatively minor, but essential telecom-related costs arise from the closure of Lyneham and increased activity at Brize Norton. These include costs associated with recovering cables and switch gear from Brize Norton and the provision of new telecom lines and switch gear at Brize Norton. The total cost of such works is estimated at around £4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Infrastructure Costs. The majority of the development of technical accommodation at Brize Norton to house units moving from Lyneham or within Brize Norton involves the refurbishment, improvement or expansion of existing buildings. Such costs include the development of buildings necessary to accommodate; C-130 aircraft forward stores, C-130 flying squadrons, 4 Force Protection Wing, a combined AT/AAR Force HQ, Survival Equipment Section, 1 Air Mobility Wing, a centralized Mission Planning Facility and the development of an Air Transport/Air-to-Air Refuelling Operations Hub. The total cost of such works is estimated at £11.4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Organisational Costs. The redeployment of personnel from Lyneham to Brize Norton will require funding to pay entitled personnel allowances such as removal expenses, and is forecast to increase the total expenditure on some other allowances such as home-to-duty mileage entitlement. The total cost of such changes is estimated at around £10.6M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Communication and Information (CIS) Costs. The cost of CIS provision is included within the PFB estimates of the total cost of individual new builds/refurbishments. However, there are additional CIS costs linked to the provision of additional hardware and the maintenance of legacy systems at Brize Norton. The total cost of such requirements is estimated at £0.9M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Relocation Costs. The movement of units from Lyneham to Brize Norton or within Brize Norton will incur costs associated with the provision of transport. This cost is estimated at £0.07M and is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Miscellaneous Costs. Other minor costs associated with PFB include the transfer of fuels from Lyneham to Brize Norton, the relocation of specialist refrigerated ISO containers and the potential cost associated with relocating the Chapel of Rest from Lyneham to Brize Norton. The total cost of such requirements is currently estimated at £1.3M and is included within the overall PFB costs.
Land Quality Assessment (LQA). In addition to the cost of cleaning up the Lyneham site, it is necessary to carry out a LQA. The cost of this activity is estimated at £0.4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Cost of Cleaning the RAF Lyneham Site. The allocated figure of £10M as the projected cost of cleaning the Lyneham site before it is disposed of is an estimate for planning purposes. A final figure cannot be allocated until the LQA is complete. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
COSTS PARTIALLY INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
Service Families Accommodation. As previously noted, the overall development of Brize Norton’s SFA by DE Ops (Housing) is forecast to cost £200M. However, as also noted, given the current standard of SFA at Brize Norton, much of this work is required irrespective of the relocation of personnel from Lyneham. However, recognizing that the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton increases the demand for SFA at Brize Norton, £19M of the overall cost of the SFA project is included within the overall PFB costs.
COSTS NOT INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
Aircraft Servicing Platform (ASP) In order to provide suitable aircraft parking areas for the A330-200, A400M, TriStar and large charter aircraft with on-stand hydrant refuelling, de-fuelling and power, a large area of ASP has been developed at BZN. With the exception of some minor remedial works, this project was completed in December 2009 at a cost of £53M. This cost is out with the overall PFB costs. This is justified on the grounds that the ASP is required for a range of aircraft types planned to be based at Brize Norton, and not simply for the C-130 fleets
Single Living Accommodation (SLAM). The development of SLAM at Brize Norton is required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton, and is currently forecast to cost around £48M.
COST SUMMARY
Total Current Forecast Core Costs for PFB. As detailed above, the current forecast core costs for Programme Future Brize through to FY19/20 are;
a. High Voltage Ring Main - £5.7M.
b. HQ AIR contribution to SFA - £19.227M.
c. C-130J TMRF - Commercial in Confidence
d. PHF - Commercial in Confidence
e. FHF - Commercial in Confidence
f. 47 AD Sqn (RLC) - Commercial in Confidence
g. TMW and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn - Commercial in Confidence
h. MSSR - £1.608M.
i. C-130 Hangar/Support Facility - Commercial in Confidence
j. Additional Telecom Costs - £4.075M.
k. Additional Infrastructure Costs - £11.47M.
l. Additional Organizational Costs - £10.641M.
m. Additional CIS Costs - £0.9M.
n. Relocation Costs - £0.07M.
o. Additional Miscellaneous Costs - £1.301M.
p. LQA - £0.41M.
q. Cleanup of LYN Site - £10M.
TOTAL CORE PFB COSTS - £202.656M.
FINANCIAL BENEFITS
The key financial benefits associated with the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton under PFB are detailed below. The (RDEL) manpower savings and other benefits are split between Financial Input Savings (civilian manpower savings) and Financial Savings (Outputs) (RAF Manpower savings).
Financial Savings (Inputs). The forecast input savings, principally associated with an overall reduction of 125 Civil Service posts and other civilian posts at Lyneham for the period to end FY2019/2020, are currently £279.15M.
Financial Savings (Outputs). The forecast RDEL savings associated with an overall reduction of 251 RAF posts (together with CIS savings associated with the requirement to only maintain one site with a reduced total number of personnel), are currently £157.6M.
BENEFIT SUMMARY
As detailed above, the current forecast financial benefits arising from PFB through to FY 2019/20 are;
Financial Input Savings - £279.147M.
Financial Savings (Outputs) - £157.597
TOTAL FINANCIAL BENEFITS - £436.744M.
Keeping Lyneham open would involve a significant upgrade to the runway. It is wearing out and is already past its sell by date. I don't have the figures at hand, but it is basically timed out with the planned closure of the airfield. I still think the army will take over the base, but it is subject to SDR so we should find out a bit later in the year.
When the Herc landed belly up a few weeks ago, aircraft were scattered at Lyneham (2 VC10s) Tristars to MAN, cancelled tanker sorties out of Brize etc etc. Still think this closure is bananas, but I did hear of a possible Biz Jet operation out of LYE. James has gone quiet I can give him a nudge see what is going on.
Just PM me with an email address if you want the letter...
COSTS INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
High Voltage Ring Main. In order to ensure sufficient electrical power is provided to Brize Norton, work to install an additional high voltage ring main was completed in 2009 at a cost of £5.7M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
C-130J Training Mission Rehearsal Facility. The relocation of the C-130J fleet from Lyneham to Brize Norton also necessitates the relocation of the 2 C-130J Dynamic Mission Simulators from Lyneham to Brize Norton, where they will be housed in a new purpose-built building. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Passenger Handling Facility (PHF). The current Terminal at Brize Norton was designed to handle relatively small, narrow-body aircraft. The Terminal struggles to cope with the passenger loads typically carried on TriStar and charter aircraft such as the B767. In order to maximize the efficient use of our future A330-200 FSTA fleet, it is anticipated that a new PHF, or significant redevelopment of the current Terminal will be required. Although this cost is included within the overall PFB costs, it should be noted that the PHF development is required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton. The number of passengers carried on our C-130 aircraft would not place an appreciable additional strain on the current Brize Norton Terminal. The exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Freight Handling Facility (FHF). Much of the current FHF at Brize Norton is housed in temporary facilities. Although the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton clearly increases the amount of freight being handled at Brize Norton, some work on the FHF would be required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
47 Air Despatch Squadron (Royal Logistics Corp). Following an in-depth Assessment Study, a new build has been identified as the best option for the 47 AD Squadron (RLC) facility at Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Tactical Medical Wg (TMW) and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn Accommodation. Refurbishment of currently unused technical accommodation for TMW and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Relocation of Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radar (MSSR). In order to create space for the new Junior Ranks’ SLAM, the MSSR has to be relocated at a cost of around £1.6M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
C-130 Hangar/Support Facility. In order to maximize the availability of C-130 aircraft following the relocation of the force from Lyneham to Brize Norton, it is planned that a C-130 Hangar/support facility will be constructed at Brize Norton. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs, but the exact figure is being withheld on the grounds of commercial confidentiality.
Additional Telecom-Related Costs. A number of relatively minor, but essential telecom-related costs arise from the closure of Lyneham and increased activity at Brize Norton. These include costs associated with recovering cables and switch gear from Brize Norton and the provision of new telecom lines and switch gear at Brize Norton. The total cost of such works is estimated at around £4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Infrastructure Costs. The majority of the development of technical accommodation at Brize Norton to house units moving from Lyneham or within Brize Norton involves the refurbishment, improvement or expansion of existing buildings. Such costs include the development of buildings necessary to accommodate; C-130 aircraft forward stores, C-130 flying squadrons, 4 Force Protection Wing, a combined AT/AAR Force HQ, Survival Equipment Section, 1 Air Mobility Wing, a centralized Mission Planning Facility and the development of an Air Transport/Air-to-Air Refuelling Operations Hub. The total cost of such works is estimated at £11.4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Organisational Costs. The redeployment of personnel from Lyneham to Brize Norton will require funding to pay entitled personnel allowances such as removal expenses, and is forecast to increase the total expenditure on some other allowances such as home-to-duty mileage entitlement. The total cost of such changes is estimated at around £10.6M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Communication and Information (CIS) Costs. The cost of CIS provision is included within the PFB estimates of the total cost of individual new builds/refurbishments. However, there are additional CIS costs linked to the provision of additional hardware and the maintenance of legacy systems at Brize Norton. The total cost of such requirements is estimated at £0.9M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Relocation Costs. The movement of units from Lyneham to Brize Norton or within Brize Norton will incur costs associated with the provision of transport. This cost is estimated at £0.07M and is included within the overall PFB costs.
Additional Miscellaneous Costs. Other minor costs associated with PFB include the transfer of fuels from Lyneham to Brize Norton, the relocation of specialist refrigerated ISO containers and the potential cost associated with relocating the Chapel of Rest from Lyneham to Brize Norton. The total cost of such requirements is currently estimated at £1.3M and is included within the overall PFB costs.
Land Quality Assessment (LQA). In addition to the cost of cleaning up the Lyneham site, it is necessary to carry out a LQA. The cost of this activity is estimated at £0.4M. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
Cost of Cleaning the RAF Lyneham Site. The allocated figure of £10M as the projected cost of cleaning the Lyneham site before it is disposed of is an estimate for planning purposes. A final figure cannot be allocated until the LQA is complete. This cost is included within the overall PFB costs.
COSTS PARTIALLY INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
Service Families Accommodation. As previously noted, the overall development of Brize Norton’s SFA by DE Ops (Housing) is forecast to cost £200M. However, as also noted, given the current standard of SFA at Brize Norton, much of this work is required irrespective of the relocation of personnel from Lyneham. However, recognizing that the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton increases the demand for SFA at Brize Norton, £19M of the overall cost of the SFA project is included within the overall PFB costs.
COSTS NOT INCLUDED IN PROGRAMME FUTURE BRIZE
Aircraft Servicing Platform (ASP) In order to provide suitable aircraft parking areas for the A330-200, A400M, TriStar and large charter aircraft with on-stand hydrant refuelling, de-fuelling and power, a large area of ASP has been developed at BZN. With the exception of some minor remedial works, this project was completed in December 2009 at a cost of £53M. This cost is out with the overall PFB costs. This is justified on the grounds that the ASP is required for a range of aircraft types planned to be based at Brize Norton, and not simply for the C-130 fleets
Single Living Accommodation (SLAM). The development of SLAM at Brize Norton is required irrespective of the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton, and is currently forecast to cost around £48M.
COST SUMMARY
Total Current Forecast Core Costs for PFB. As detailed above, the current forecast core costs for Programme Future Brize through to FY19/20 are;
a. High Voltage Ring Main - £5.7M.
b. HQ AIR contribution to SFA - £19.227M.
c. C-130J TMRF - Commercial in Confidence
d. PHF - Commercial in Confidence
e. FHF - Commercial in Confidence
f. 47 AD Sqn (RLC) - Commercial in Confidence
g. TMW and 4626 RAuxAF Sqn - Commercial in Confidence
h. MSSR - £1.608M.
i. C-130 Hangar/Support Facility - Commercial in Confidence
j. Additional Telecom Costs - £4.075M.
k. Additional Infrastructure Costs - £11.47M.
l. Additional Organizational Costs - £10.641M.
m. Additional CIS Costs - £0.9M.
n. Relocation Costs - £0.07M.
o. Additional Miscellaneous Costs - £1.301M.
p. LQA - £0.41M.
q. Cleanup of LYN Site - £10M.
TOTAL CORE PFB COSTS - £202.656M.
FINANCIAL BENEFITS
The key financial benefits associated with the amalgamation of Lyneham and Brize Norton under PFB are detailed below. The (RDEL) manpower savings and other benefits are split between Financial Input Savings (civilian manpower savings) and Financial Savings (Outputs) (RAF Manpower savings).
Financial Savings (Inputs). The forecast input savings, principally associated with an overall reduction of 125 Civil Service posts and other civilian posts at Lyneham for the period to end FY2019/2020, are currently £279.15M.
Financial Savings (Outputs). The forecast RDEL savings associated with an overall reduction of 251 RAF posts (together with CIS savings associated with the requirement to only maintain one site with a reduced total number of personnel), are currently £157.6M.
BENEFIT SUMMARY
As detailed above, the current forecast financial benefits arising from PFB through to FY 2019/20 are;
Financial Input Savings - £279.147M.
Financial Savings (Outputs) - £157.597
TOTAL FINANCIAL BENEFITS - £436.744M.
And how many new car parks have been planned for the additional manpower at Brize? Or for the passengers using the 'new' PHF?
I still think that this whole folly will end in tears.
I still think that this whole folly will end in tears.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Another S**thole
Age: 51
Posts: 162
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And how many new car parks have been planned for the additional manpower at Brize? Or for the passengers using the 'new' PHF?
We won't need car parks - anyone living within 3 miles will not be allowed to drive to work. Cycle routes and a off-site 'park and ride' are already planned. Pax will only be allowed to be dropped off and picked up outside the terminal with a 30min maximum waiting period.
How will planning permission be secured for an off-site 'park and ride'....?
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: england
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The 3 mile radius is true!, also heard a crackpot idea that the armoury is to go to call out during night hours and weekends, so for anyone landing back from ooa will have to wait a long time for the duty armourer to come out as it is serco run so people do not live on camp!. I would have thought that considering this is or will be the main airhead for HM forces it should remain 24hr manned.
Champagne anyone...?
I read Nige's post twice but I couldn't see where they'd accounted for the industrial quantities of this that will be required:
Are they seriously still pushing ahead with the mission rehearsal system?!?!?! We've clearly got more money and less sense than I thought
Are they seriously still pushing ahead with the mission rehearsal system?!?!?! We've clearly got more money and less sense than I thought
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Trumpville; On the edge
Posts: 435
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
off-site 'park and ride' are already planned
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: The Old Cheese Emporium
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Keeping Lyneham open would involve a significant upgrade to the runway. It is wearing out and is already past its sell by date.
- The main runway at Edinburgh International Airport was resurfaced in November 2008 at a cost of £16m, renewing the life of the runway for 15 years.
- In 2009 Newcastle International Airport had its runway resurfaced for £6m.
- Detroit International Airport reconstructed its main runway, with a length of 8,700 feet, in 2009 at a cost of $34.6m, approximately £21m. Associated runway markings, electrical and edge marking systems were replaced as part of the reconstruction project, providing a lifespan of at least 20 years.
I speculate that you would pay more than the cost of repairing the runway for the environmental clean-up of RAF Lyneham after the Land Quality Assessment is completed.
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Puken
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
AA,
Spot on. I think there are some very suspect costing assumptions. Certainly one of which is the amount they'd save in civvie costs and RAF posts.
But we can have the opportunity to spend and waste £Millions, get fleeced, lose capability but PR-wise it's 2 bases to 1. At least it looks like we're cost-cutting!
Spot on. I think there are some very suspect costing assumptions. Certainly one of which is the amount they'd save in civvie costs and RAF posts.
But we can have the opportunity to spend and waste £Millions, get fleeced, lose capability but PR-wise it's 2 bases to 1. At least it looks like we're cost-cutting!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: wilts
Posts: 1,667
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
AA, I'll chase up the official costings, hopefully via Parliamentary Question. Let's try and sort the wheat from the chaff..
Right, I have fired off an email to JG and rattled his cage.
Right, I have fired off an email to JG and rattled his cage.
...if anyone still wants Bill Ramms letter to Gray I have it as a scanned copy on PDF, don't think I can simply post it up on here. James included a cost breakdown, see below.