Lyneham Closure, Westminster Hall Debate 6 Jan 2010
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A400M
This might kill all the speculation or start a fresh line. See the Non-Airline Transport thread - Airbus threatens to cancel A400M if the governments don't cough up more cash.
Excuse thread wander.
Excuse thread wander.
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If C-17 was so unjustafiable, why did they just buy no 7?
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What, despite the 3 year waiting list, behind the USA, UAE and now India?
7 was on the books for a looong time. We were given the option years ago. It was only recently though that the actual contract was signed.
7 was on the books for a looong time. We were given the option years ago. It was only recently though that the actual contract was signed.
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Back on thread..
BBC News - MP wants Lyneham decision delayed
He's keeping the subject in the news, guess we will have to wait till after the SDR but in the mean time keep letting Lyneham decay,,
BBC News - MP wants Lyneham decision delayed
He's keeping the subject in the news, guess we will have to wait till after the SDR but in the mean time keep letting Lyneham decay,,
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Bredbury Hall
(My) Rumours of Bredbury Hall's demise would appear to be exaggerated and it seams that this august institution is still in rude health! My mate down the pub is obviously getting his int from the CIA.....
Still, I'm very relieved, just a shame I'm not on multis anymore.
I apologise for any distress caused by my misinformation!
Still, I'm very relieved, just a shame I'm not on multis anymore.
I apologise for any distress caused by my misinformation!
Well, lets just say that I have a friend of a friend who works for a big company in the UK that is currently conducting a study into helicopter re-basing. When I mentioned Belvedere he said, 'Yeah we were on that and this is the next Op - we are looking at a new location for the MoD'. I didn't press him anymore for obvious reasons but suffice to say, Belvedere II is very much on the cards it would seem! 
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Back in the latter days of the Cold War, someone came up with A Great Idea. We would practice off-base operations. So The Plan was to fly from Fairford, not Brize......until They worked out how much it would cost to trundle everyone back and forth in the school bus every day....
, there being no accommodation available at Fairford. So then They had another idea - "Let's operate from a different part of Brize and just pretend we've deployed". Not such a daft idea, but ultimately thwarted by the gingerbeering squirearchy who refused to accept 'deployment' servicing rules etc - so all that happened was that everyone was screwed about for no real gain.
, there being no accommodation available at Fairford. So then They had another idea - "Let's operate from a different part of Brize and just pretend we've deployed". Not such a daft idea, but ultimately thwarted by the gingerbeering squirearchy who refused to accept 'deployment' servicing rules etc - so all that happened was that everyone was screwed about for no real gain.
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How about: sell off the south side to the civil sector? AKA the Mediterranean airfield model
http://www.pleiade.org/projectzone/L...colocation.pdf
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interesting Plan Dallas - not sure of the commercial take up though and that looks like a hell ox a lot of stands when you consider that the only time Gatwick fills its stands is when it snows and the planes cant leave.
Back to the closure, I have read no real argument that appears to have been properly thought out and make sense. I accept I am no strategic expert but I do know that no good will ever come of decisions made on financial grounds alone and many of the observations here suggests sadly, that this is the case.
Back to the closure, I have read no real argument that appears to have been properly thought out and make sense. I accept I am no strategic expert but I do know that no good will ever come of decisions made on financial grounds alone and many of the observations here suggests sadly, that this is the case.
but suffice to say, Belvedere II is very much on the cards it would seem!
Belvedere II would actually be Belvedere V or VI. Its been called other things, Jeracia etc etc. Always ends the same way, the only result is delayed investment.
I wouldnt bet the farm on Odiham closing anytime in the near-medium term.
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Biggest cost to the MOD will be having to return Lyneham to it's 'original' state if no other MOD user wants the site.
Especially as the water table was polluted not so long ago and there are massive BFIs and fuel pipe installations.
Not only that but there are still not enough MQs to go around with DE having to buy new build houses in an around Carterton (25 at the cost of £6M)
Not enough car parking, no hangarage for C130s planned at present and the issue of a massive increase in movements.
Brize will have to accommodate 7 C17s, 25 C130Js, 9 C130Ks, 25 A400Ms, Tristars, VC10s and handle all the charter movements.
One runway and one terminal - what a great plan
Especially as the water table was polluted not so long ago and there are massive BFIs and fuel pipe installations.
Not only that but there are still not enough MQs to go around with DE having to buy new build houses in an around Carterton (25 at the cost of £6M)
Not enough car parking, no hangarage for C130s planned at present and the issue of a massive increase in movements.
Brize will have to accommodate 7 C17s, 25 C130Js, 9 C130Ks, 25 A400Ms, Tristars, VC10s and handle all the charter movements.
One runway and one terminal - what a great plan
When we taxied onto the DHL ramp at EMA on Thursday morning there was a very frosty looking RAF Tristar parked. We then went to Aldergrove and we spotted through the mist, as we taxied past, a VC10 on the commercial ramp, what's that said our German FO! The ten had gone when we came in that night but when we went back to EMA the Tristar was still there, parked next to a BA 777, and on the pax ramp was another RAF Tristar! I hope the crews had a good day/night in Nottingham and didn't have to suffer the Thistle hotel at EMA. Are they still there?
Lyneham was obviously no good as a div that day!
Lyneham was obviously no good as a div that day!
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1. No other MOD user can afford to move into Lyneham. No pennies in the bank.
2. Building new houses around Carterton has been in the pipeline a long time. This is the right timeto do it.
3. Blighter Pilot obviously hasn't been to Brize recently as the new carparking system has considerably improved the situation.
4. Brize will also have to accomodate the A-330's, you missed those out.
5. Can't personally see a problem using Bournemouth. Runway is long enough for C-17, A-330, A-400 and C-130. Better had be, otherwise the work being carried out there for MRTT is in big trouble.
6. Take a look at the figures, and Brize is a much better option for weather than Lyneham.
2. Building new houses around Carterton has been in the pipeline a long time. This is the right timeto do it.
3. Blighter Pilot obviously hasn't been to Brize recently as the new carparking system has considerably improved the situation.
4. Brize will also have to accomodate the A-330's, you missed those out.
5. Can't personally see a problem using Bournemouth. Runway is long enough for C-17, A-330, A-400 and C-130. Better had be, otherwise the work being carried out there for MRTT is in big trouble.
6. Take a look at the figures, and Brize is a much better option for weather than Lyneham.
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Here we are yet again , this is like the Man Utd and Man Citry debate.
The Goverment decided to close Lyneham for a reason, the government is always correct.
Thats also why we went to war for WMD and how we gave the banks lots of money to help them, now they refuse help to the people.
The Goverment make the decisions and they are the right ones everytime
Gordon Brown can kiss my hairy swingers , yet again ill informed information from our seniors who are too scared to tell facts to the people who make the decisions. Spineless and scared, all the good traits of people who lead
The Goverment decided to close Lyneham for a reason, the government is always correct.
Thats also why we went to war for WMD and how we gave the banks lots of money to help them, now they refuse help to the people.
The Goverment make the decisions and they are the right ones everytime
Gordon Brown can kiss my hairy swingers , yet again ill informed information from our seniors who are too scared to tell facts to the people who make the decisions. Spineless and scared, all the good traits of people who lead
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1. No other MOD user can afford to move into Lyneham. No pennies in the bank.
2. Building new houses around Carterton has been in the pipeline a long time. This is the right timeto do it.
3. Blighter Pilot obviously hasn't been to Brize recently as the new carparking system has considerably improved the situation.
4. Brize will also have to accomodate the A-330's, you missed those out.
5. Can't personally see a problem using Bournemouth. Runway is long enough for C-17, A-330, A-400 and C-130. Better had be, otherwise the work being carried out there for MRTT is in big trouble.
6. Take a look at the figures, and Brize is a much better option for weather than Lyneham.
2. Building new houses around Carterton has been in the pipeline a long time. This is the right timeto do it.
3. Blighter Pilot obviously hasn't been to Brize recently as the new carparking system has considerably improved the situation.
4. Brize will also have to accomodate the A-330's, you missed those out.
5. Can't personally see a problem using Bournemouth. Runway is long enough for C-17, A-330, A-400 and C-130. Better had be, otherwise the work being carried out there for MRTT is in big trouble.
6. Take a look at the figures, and Brize is a much better option for weather than Lyneham.
Bloody good effort but I never for one moment considered that the Future Brize Team would feel a need to join the ranks of Prune to try to sell the pup
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Just some thoughts:
1. Is Bournemouth changing it’s opening times to act as a 24/7 diversion? From the BINA:
Nearly all the people I have spoken to think that, in hindsight, closing Lyneham was a bad idea; when will someone just say ‘LET US PAUSE & THINK’. There may be long term financial gains but with long term strategic losses that could never be regained. It would be nice to slow things for 6 months or so until after a Strategic Defence Review. Our current financial predicament won’t last forever, our need for a flexible, efficient strategic transport fleet will.
1. Is Bournemouth changing it’s opening times to act as a 24/7 diversion? From the BINA:
(a) ‡0630-2130 dly. ATZ ff
(p) Refuelling hours 0700-2130 or §
2. How about 24/7 circuit training around the Brize area given possible noise issues? Nearly all the people I have spoken to think that, in hindsight, closing Lyneham was a bad idea; when will someone just say ‘LET US PAUSE & THINK’. There may be long term financial gains but with long term strategic losses that could never be regained. It would be nice to slow things for 6 months or so until after a Strategic Defence Review. Our current financial predicament won’t last forever, our need for a flexible, efficient strategic transport fleet will.