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Well boys i will tell you what next...Prepare yourselves for ww3. I know Bush is going to want to kick someones ass....Well he did send Saddam a present two days after coming to power...so pay more attention to those low level tatics and CAPS
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Not a nice way to start the day. 50,000 people work in the building. Thats the population of Bridlington, East Yorkshire !!
That brings it into perspective.
Condolences to anyone with relatives or mates working / visiting either building.
That brings it into perspective.
Condolences to anyone with relatives or mates working / visiting either building.
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Condolences and heartfelt sympathy to US citizens, and all those around the world who have been affected by this.
Here's hoping and praying that world leaders keep a cool head on their collective shoulders tonight.
I think this is a day that nobody will forget.
Yakkers
Here's hoping and praying that world leaders keep a cool head on their collective shoulders tonight.
I think this is a day that nobody will forget.
Yakkers
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Jacko, with that one-liner you have totally destroyed any credibility you may have had.this is without doubt, the most despicable act ever perpetrated, to a degree that is evidently excluding rational thought by some journalists.
If they ever have a parade of a*s*h*l*s at the Olympics, you could volunteer to be standard bearer.
There may well be 50,000 dead in this debacle.Think on it had it happened in Britain
[ 12 September 2001: Message edited by: Samuel ]
[ 12 September 2001: Message edited by: Samuel ]
If they ever have a parade of a*s*h*l*s at the Olympics, you could volunteer to be standard bearer.
There may well be 50,000 dead in this debacle.Think on it had it happened in Britain
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My sincerest sympathies to all of those involved. And my heart is with those who have suffered a loss...
However, Jacko has a serious point, and I'll stand by him.
Who saw the footage of streets of Palestinians actively celibrating the devastation that occured in New York and Washington? Those are some people with a huge amount of Anti-American feeling within their community. It only takes a handful of switched on people with the right resources. If America spent less time with it's head in the sand, and got to grips with the troubles in the Middle East, maybe this whole event would not have occured...
...that's if it's even the Middle East that was the source of these terrible acts of terrorism.
PS) Might finally sort out the problems with American internal flight security, and, urrr, I'll be battening down the hatches for the inevitable onslaught...
However, Jacko has a serious point, and I'll stand by him.
Who saw the footage of streets of Palestinians actively celibrating the devastation that occured in New York and Washington? Those are some people with a huge amount of Anti-American feeling within their community. It only takes a handful of switched on people with the right resources. If America spent less time with it's head in the sand, and got to grips with the troubles in the Middle East, maybe this whole event would not have occured...
...that's if it's even the Middle East that was the source of these terrible acts of terrorism.
PS) Might finally sort out the problems with American internal flight security, and, urrr, I'll be battening down the hatches for the inevitable onslaught...
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Many thanks for your heart felt condolences, having family living in New York, that I have been unable to contact, makes this a very personal matter for me to deal with. It is extremely difficult to step outside myself and look at this in prospective. These types of attacks could and probably will occur again in the near future not only within the boundaries of the United States but across the globe. These fanatics have no sense of humanity, or remorse for their actions. There will be no doubt serious repercussions as a result of this attack, I am certain that many of you Pruner Pilots in the UK will be brought into this as well, God bless all that have suffered and all that will sustain losses in the future.
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Indeed I am horrified at what happened in the USA yesterday, my heart goes out to the victims and families and yes, the perpetrators must be brought to justice and States must be deterred from harbouring terrorists.
However, before we all leap on Jackonicko, it's probably worth asking ourselves what we might have been driven to had our families and entire society been the innocent victims of one of the previous Western / Israeli indiscriminate repraisals.
If we raze Kabul / Gaza / Khartoum etc. to the ground, I suspect we'll merely add greatly to the list of future 'inhabitants of paradise' bright enough to undertake some basic flying training, wield a pen-knife and point an airliner at a skyscraper.
I also suspect that some great repraisal is exactly what the people who persuaded the 'martyrs' that they would inhabit paradise for eternity want to happen, ergo Jihad.
The cycle of indiscriminate violence can only be broken if we maintain the higher standards of civilized Justice and avoid the temptation for indiscriminate action.
However, before we all leap on Jackonicko, it's probably worth asking ourselves what we might have been driven to had our families and entire society been the innocent victims of one of the previous Western / Israeli indiscriminate repraisals.
If we raze Kabul / Gaza / Khartoum etc. to the ground, I suspect we'll merely add greatly to the list of future 'inhabitants of paradise' bright enough to undertake some basic flying training, wield a pen-knife and point an airliner at a skyscraper.
I also suspect that some great repraisal is exactly what the people who persuaded the 'martyrs' that they would inhabit paradise for eternity want to happen, ergo Jihad.
The cycle of indiscriminate violence can only be broken if we maintain the higher standards of civilized Justice and avoid the temptation for indiscriminate action.
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I am sure that many have felt exasperated at the way in which US foreign policy has been driven by the excessive influence of the Zionist lobby and Irish America. It is easy to strike a cynical note like Jackonico and to point out that that the USA has done more than its fair share of "harbouring and succouring" terrorists. Indeed it is largely due to Clinton's pressure that so many convicted terrorists walk free today. And yet let us keep some sense of proportion. Anyone who has been fortunate enough to live among them knows that the American people are overwhelmingly kind, God-fearing and open-hearted. The events yesterday were indeed an act of war against Western civilisation and must be met with total resolution and all the technical and intelligence expertise at the West's command. The West's response must be measured and discriminatory - but not over fastidious. The USA is the free world's leader. Let us stand by her. God speed America!
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Jacko.
And NO comment about the outrage of probably 30-40 thousand deaths of innocent souls in this terrible act of terrorism in the US?
Why are you using politics? They have not been able to solve their problems since 1946 - perhaps you can't remember that far back. They probably never will.
This was a barbaric act that will not go unpunished and rightly so. Your comments are unecessary and out of place. If you don't think so, why not mention the innocents of WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam? I was an innocent in 1940 and stood bombing raids day and night sometimes, over over a period of three years. 60,000 innocents got killed in the East End alone Jacko.
I am truly surprised, especially when you were on chat this afternoon you appeared to have an entirely different view!
And condolences also to the innocent civilians killed by Israeli helicopter gunships, as well, perhaps?
Why are you using politics? They have not been able to solve their problems since 1946 - perhaps you can't remember that far back. They probably never will.
This was a barbaric act that will not go unpunished and rightly so. Your comments are unecessary and out of place. If you don't think so, why not mention the innocents of WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam? I was an innocent in 1940 and stood bombing raids day and night sometimes, over over a period of three years. 60,000 innocents got killed in the East End alone Jacko.
I am truly surprised, especially when you were on chat this afternoon you appeared to have an entirely different view!
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I'm sorry. I can't think of the right words to express my sincere condolences. I wish I could.
RIP
I'm sorry. I can't think of the right words to express my sincere condolences. I wish I could.
RIP
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the events in the US are totally incredulous. the gravity and depth of the grief is immeasurable. prayers for those suffering.
whilst the timing and tone of jackonicko's comments are perhaps wanting, it must be stated that playing devils advocate in such a way promotes debate, which underpins democracy. got you typing didnt it? dont shoot the messenger.
whilst the timing and tone of jackonicko's comments are perhaps wanting, it must be stated that playing devils advocate in such a way promotes debate, which underpins democracy. got you typing didnt it? dont shoot the messenger.
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When I was told what happened yesterday I could scarcely believe what i was hearing. It was almost too incredible to believe, a plot from a Die Hard movie. I watched on in absolute shock as i saw the South tower of the WTC collapse. I felt a sense of numbness as I watched the footage of the 767 collide into the tower.
I sat on a train to Manchester reading the first news reports. I couldn't help but imagine what was going hrough the minds of the passengers on those planes as they called loved ones for the last time knowing that they were about to die. I could not contemplate the sheer terror, horror, and resignation that those souls must have encountered in their final moments. Nor could i imagine what sheer terror and desperation could cause anyone to jump, hand in hand with their loved one, from the 90th floor of a building to certain death.
I lay awake last night thinking of my sister-in-law who having lived in New york until a few months ago has friends in the city. I worried about her boyfriend who still lives and works in Manhatten. The tension of not knowing his whereabouts until this evening was almost unbearable, as was the uncertainty of the friends in DC who could have been too close to the Pentagon for comfort.
This tragedy affects more than the immediate victims of the attacks. It touches the lives of so many Americans, and so many others of us that it is hard to contemplate. It will take a long time to absorb the shock and come to terms with the sheer devistation we have witnessed. We must mourn. We must grieve. More importantly, while bringing justice to bear, we must be merciful.
Requiem aeternam secundam domine. Et lux perpetua luceat eis.
I sat on a train to Manchester reading the first news reports. I couldn't help but imagine what was going hrough the minds of the passengers on those planes as they called loved ones for the last time knowing that they were about to die. I could not contemplate the sheer terror, horror, and resignation that those souls must have encountered in their final moments. Nor could i imagine what sheer terror and desperation could cause anyone to jump, hand in hand with their loved one, from the 90th floor of a building to certain death.
I lay awake last night thinking of my sister-in-law who having lived in New york until a few months ago has friends in the city. I worried about her boyfriend who still lives and works in Manhatten. The tension of not knowing his whereabouts until this evening was almost unbearable, as was the uncertainty of the friends in DC who could have been too close to the Pentagon for comfort.
This tragedy affects more than the immediate victims of the attacks. It touches the lives of so many Americans, and so many others of us that it is hard to contemplate. It will take a long time to absorb the shock and come to terms with the sheer devistation we have witnessed. We must mourn. We must grieve. More importantly, while bringing justice to bear, we must be merciful.
Requiem aeternam secundam domine. Et lux perpetua luceat eis.
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I heard about what happened from our groundcrew as I walked in yesterday. When I was told that an American Airlines jet was involved I felt sick with shock, my sister is a 767 pilot for them. I went home and tried to dial her home to no avail. About 2 hours after the event my family called to say that she had been flying from Miami to San Fransisco that morning but was not one of the jets involved. ATC had told them that all aircraft were to land at the nearest suitable due to a National Emergeancy. She was safe on the ground at Austin Tx in 20 mins by all account. The personal relief I felt was as great as my horror over the magnitude of this event.
My feelings turned to disgust today as I listened to pundits on the media who jumped on the "They brought it on themselves" bandwagon. The casual anti-American prejudices expressed would have been illegal if expressed about certain ethnic minorities in this country. It is the easy and insidious anti-USA statements (bloody stupid yanks..etc) that feed and fuel the fanatic rantings of those responsible for this act. B***er measured responce. I feel the USA has every right to strike those who support and foster terrorist attacks against them with every means at their disposal. As I spoke to friends and relatives over there yeaterday I felt that they would glass Bagdahd and Kabul in a wink if they could push the button. Any responce less than that would be measured and proportional.
Jacko, there is much evil in the world we would all like to stop. But the line is drawn and it is time to take sides. God help us all.
My feelings turned to disgust today as I listened to pundits on the media who jumped on the "They brought it on themselves" bandwagon. The casual anti-American prejudices expressed would have been illegal if expressed about certain ethnic minorities in this country. It is the easy and insidious anti-USA statements (bloody stupid yanks..etc) that feed and fuel the fanatic rantings of those responsible for this act. B***er measured responce. I feel the USA has every right to strike those who support and foster terrorist attacks against them with every means at their disposal. As I spoke to friends and relatives over there yeaterday I felt that they would glass Bagdahd and Kabul in a wink if they could push the button. Any responce less than that would be measured and proportional.
Jacko, there is much evil in the world we would all like to stop. But the line is drawn and it is time to take sides. God help us all.
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Hopefully the IRA will now rattle their collecting tins in vain on the streets of New York. My sickbag is at the ready for Gerry Adams' message of condolence..
I note that Tony Blair is now standing 'foursquare'against terrorism - major shift of Government policy, by the sound of it!
I note that Tony Blair is now standing 'foursquare'against terrorism - major shift of Government policy, by the sound of it!